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I always feel like these password solutions are there to lock you into their platform. I would never use Apples nor Mozillas password solutions personally.

senpos 2y ago
It is very hard to move from iCloud Keychain to KeePassXC. Export functionality does not exist in the "Passwords" section of the settings on iPhone. It is also not available in the iCloud for Web. So, I had to go through all my passwords and reset them + create new entries in KeePassXC, one by one, which is very annoying. :-)
- kemayo 2y ago
  There's a proper export on the Mac if you have access to one, at least.
josephcsible 2y ago
That's a great reason to not use Apple's, but Mozilla's doesn't lock you in at all.
- pasc1878 2y ago
  Yes Mozilla's does - to Firefox. There are cases I need to use Safari or a Chrome based browser. This is the main reason I got 1password in the first place. and where do you store your passwords for apps?
  - josephcsible 2y ago
    That's not lock-in, though, since Mozilla makes it very easy to export your saved passwords to a .csv file if you ever do want to switch ecosystems. I use KeePassXC to store passwords for apps.
    - pasc1878 2y ago
      So does Apple make it easy to export even now, just one click on the menu in the System Settings. I assume having an app would make it easier. So you have two password managers one for Firefox and the other for apps. What happens if you have an app login that is also a web site? Two entries of the same thing?
- hunter2_ 2y ago
  The way Google's password manager covers websites anywhere I'm logged into Chrome plus native Android apps anywhere I'm logged into Google Play is super convenient though (albeit total lock-in, I won't argue that). Some apps are even developed well enough that a password originally stored via Chrome will be suggested for the app, I guess by cross-referencing the origins in some mutual way. And payment card details will auto-fill pretty smoothly in a very similar way, as well. It's fantastic, and for some reason I trust OS/browser developers to do this more safely than a company focused on password management that has to figure out OS APIs, write browser extensions, or rely on a clipboard that has nearly unbounded read access.
  - cozzyd 2y ago
    Not sure people should take password advice from hunter2
  - lolinder 2y ago
    > anywhere I'm logged into Chrome plus native Android apps anywhere I'm logged into Google Play is super convenient though Android's autofill framework is open to everyone to use, and every third-party password manager has a Chrome plugin. I use Bitwarden with exactly this experience, but across Firefox and Chrome and Android.
    - hunter2_ 2y ago
      Interesting! If I used Firefox (et al.) more, and if my passwords stored by Google aren't available there but they would be if stored in Bitwarden, this new-to-me information just might lead me to switch. But I do still intuitively put more trust in Google to not make a mistake; I am ready to be convinced of the opposite, though.
  - watermelon0 2y ago
    > Some apps are even developed well enough that a password originally stored via Chrome will be suggested for the app At least on iOS, this works for any password manager.
  - smileysteve 2y ago
kstrauser 2y ago
I used 1Password for years. Last year I decided to try out Apple's built-in manager (for which this new app is a pretty frontend for a feature that already existed). I was able to export all my passwords out of 1P and import them into 1P. Then my company gave us all free personal 1P accounts, and I decided to migrate back. I exported all my data out of Apple's password manager and imported it 1Password, then ran a script to de-dupe entries. There's not much else to add: it just worked. I wish all "lock in" were that open.
- myaccountonhn 2y ago
  That's excellent! I'll keep that in mind.
- kstrauser 2y ago
  Typo there: I was able to export all my passwords out of 1P and import them into Passwords. I think people got the gist from the context, but just in case.
stemlord 2y ago
That's apple's entire MO, yes

senpos 2y ago

It is very hard to move from iCloud Keychain to KeePassXC. Export functionality does not exist in the "Passwords" section of the settings on iPhone. It is also not available in the iCloud for Web. So, I had to go through all my passwords and reset them + create new entries in KeePassXC, one by one, which is very annoying. :-)

kemayo 2y ago
There's a proper export on the Mac if you have access to one, at least.

josephcsible 2y ago

That's a great reason to not use Apple's, but Mozilla's doesn't lock you in at all.

pasc1878 2y ago
Yes Mozilla's does - to Firefox. There are cases I need to use Safari or a Chrome based browser. This is the main reason I got 1password in the first place. and where do you store your passwords for apps?
- josephcsible 2y ago
  That's not lock-in, though, since Mozilla makes it very easy to export your saved passwords to a .csv file if you ever do want to switch ecosystems. I use KeePassXC to store passwords for apps.
  - pasc1878 2y ago
    So does Apple make it easy to export even now, just one click on the menu in the System Settings. I assume having an app would make it easier. So you have two password managers one for Firefox and the other for apps. What happens if you have an app login that is also a web site? Two entries of the same thing?
hunter2_ 2y ago
The way Google's password manager covers websites anywhere I'm logged into Chrome plus native Android apps anywhere I'm logged into Google Play is super convenient though (albeit total lock-in, I won't argue that). Some apps are even developed well enough that a password originally stored via Chrome will be suggested for the app, I guess by cross-referencing the origins in some mutual way. And payment card details will auto-fill pretty smoothly in a very similar way, as well. It's fantastic, and for some reason I trust OS/browser developers to do this more safely than a company focused on password management that has to figure out OS APIs, write browser extensions, or rely on a clipboard that has nearly unbounded read access.
- cozzyd 2y ago
  Not sure people should take password advice from hunter2
- lolinder 2y ago
  > anywhere I'm logged into Chrome plus native Android apps anywhere I'm logged into Google Play is super convenient though Android's autofill framework is open to everyone to use, and every third-party password manager has a Chrome plugin. I use Bitwarden with exactly this experience, but across Firefox and Chrome and Android.
  - hunter2_ 2y ago
    Interesting! If I used Firefox (et al.) more, and if my passwords stored by Google aren't available there but they would be if stored in Bitwarden, this new-to-me information just might lead me to switch. But I do still intuitively put more trust in Google to not make a mistake; I am ready to be convinced of the opposite, though.
- watermelon0 2y ago
  > Some apps are even developed well enough that a password originally stored via Chrome will be suggested for the app At least on iOS, this works for any password manager.
- smileysteve 2y ago

kstrauser 2y ago

I used 1Password for years. Last year I decided to try out Apple's built-in manager (for which this new app is a pretty frontend for a feature that already existed). I was able to export all my passwords out of 1P and import them into 1P. Then my company gave us all free personal 1P accounts, and I decided to migrate back. I exported all my data out of Apple's password manager and imported it 1Password, then ran a script to de-dupe entries. There's not much else to add: it just worked. I wish all "lock in" were that open.

myaccountonhn 2y ago
That's excellent! I'll keep that in mind.
kstrauser 2y ago
Typo there: I was able to export all my passwords out of 1P and import them into Passwords. I think people got the gist from the context, but just in case.

stemlord 2y ago

That's apple's entire MO, yes