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Apple Debuts VisionOS 2
- ngcc_hk 2y agoCannot afford one. But what is different from the meta quest 3 just bought and surprisingly (I use hp Vr set for flying msf2020) very good. Even just compile a sample of unity to it. Fundamentally different or just competing in the same sphere, like choosing canon or nikon.
- skilled 2y agoMost features seemed kind of whatever, but that 8K ultra-wide viewing experience looks sick! Having something like that on a flight is going to be great. They did a great job at getting more features and brand partnerships also, but I couldn't help to notice they snuck in that "people have been using Spatial technology for so long and we are now improving it even more". It's marketing speak, I know, but they should be humble if they want it to succeed.
- trybackprop 2y ago+1 the ultra-wide viewing experience is better than what I was expecting: dual monitors
- speedgoose 2y agoI hope Rectangle will work well because windows management on vanilla MacOS is lacking.
- Ancapistani 2y agoThere are improvements happening with third-party screen-casting apps. "Universal Desktop" is the best IMO at the moment, as it supports streaming individual windows in addition to the entire desktop. It's far from perfect, unfortunately, but it's a step in the right direction, and shows what will be possible soon. I originally thought I wanted multiple virtual displays in visionOS. After using a couple of tools that support that... I've realized that's not a good use of the technology. I think per-window streaming is the right way forward at this point.
- runjake 2y agoThey just announced Rectangle-like window tiling in the new macOS version.
- speedgoose 2y agoIncredible. It finally happened!
- passion__desire 2y agoWhat should I do when I need to show a coworker something on my screen?
- fire_lake 2y agoThey simply view it on their Vision Pro!
- Ancapistani 2y agoScreen sharing works well. I regularly use it when I'm showing my family something I'm doing by casting to the TV or one of our MacBooks. That said, I don't think it supports casting "back" to the laptop that you're using for Mac Virtual Display. That would be a big improvement I think. Realistically, if it's something on my Virtual Display, I just take of the VP for a moment and my MBP screen comes back on. ETA: I just tried to stream back to the MBP that I'm using with Mac Virtual Display. It "works", but not in the way I'd hoped. My view is streamed to the MBP, but the screen doesn't come back on - instead, the virtual display shows what I'm seeing in the headset. Not helpful, and more than a bit nausea-inducing :(.
- passion__desire 2y agoI had the spacetop laptops in mind when I asked the question. https://www.sightful.com/ https://www.sightful.com/
- acedTrex 2y agosame thing we do today, hop on a call and screenshare.
- surfingdino 2y agoSitting next to someone following the tennis ball flying from one player to another is going to be a nightmare /s
- jadbox 2y agoEven so, I also felt underwhelmed by the whole event. It felt more like an old Microsoft event with how rigid each demo presentation seemed.
- throw46365 2y agoIt's odd how unexcited Apple people often sound when they say they couldn't be more excited.
- steve1977 2y agoDopamine burnout. They are so excited every couple of months that they literally cannot be more excited anymore.
- piva00 2y agoThey've been trying to follow Steve's old presentations ways but it's been so long that it just feels like a copy of a copy without anything genuine left in it. As someone who stupidly watched a bunch of Apple's keynotes around 2005-2015 it all feels like yet-another-corporation presentation using Apple's style. Pretty off-putting.
- pjmlp 2y agoAs someone that regularly follows WWDC, many seem just standing there, reading a script.
- steve1977 2y agoVery much this. I know Steve Jobs was a showman, but at least he was charming in a way. Like, I know you're twisting me around your little finger, but I'll let you do it, because it's kind of fun. Whereas now, it feels more like car salesmen (and saleswomen of course) trying to sell me a new car even though my "old" car is still perfectly fine. And they know it and I know it.
- lynx23 2y agoI am so glad presentation training for Cook at least helped some. I remember whenever I heard him speak in the initial days, I couldn't supress the word "valium?" appearing all over my thought-spectrum. It was actually very distracting trying to listen to him speak.
- mycall 2y agoWhat kind of bandwidth does 8KUW require? Not sure if an airplane could handle that.
- talldayo 2y agoThe idea of it is making me giggle. Someday I'm going to get seated on a plane next to someone overflowing with Vision Pro dongles. One cable going to power, another cable for the mandatory SSD they store the 8KUW content on, and another cable powering their DAC and Sennheiser headphones. Eat your heart out, home theaters!
- Ancapistani 2y agoI don't think so. The proliferation of dongles and adapters is a function of Apple's apparent ultimate goal of moving everything possible to wireless. The Vision Pro doesn't even have a way to connect external devices. I think that's intentional. Yes, it's a huge limitation right now. Over time, all of those dongles has led to more and more peripherals supporting Bluetooth. Bluetooth has gotten better in the process. You'll be sitting next to someone on a plane with a fully self-contained headset. They may have peripherals in their carryon, but you won't see them. The era of the "personal area network" is almost here, it's just hard to see because we're in a transitional period still.
- talldayo 2y agoThe proliferation of dongles and adapters is evidence that not everything will make the jump to wireless. Especially since with Lightning Apple tipped their hand and revealed that their ultimate goal was to license a subset of DRM-encoded USB standards. It feels pretty obvious that Apple's movement towards wireless is mostly about killing the specter of standardized connectivity. Look at external drives; how is wireless going to replace this anywhere? Bluetooth can't even hit SATA speeds, much less 4k streaming speeds without re-encoding and compressing the source material. You might get somewhere with WiFi Direct, but Apple doesn't support that in the first place and requires people to use their proprietary alternatives. Seriously, I want you to sit down and ask yourself one question. If Macs went full-wireless tomorrow, do you sincerely believe that the majority of Mac owners wouldn't own new wireless dongles?
- ramesh31 2y agoTableTopKit sounds pretty interesting. It's always stood out to me as probably one of the best initial use cases for AR. Now you just need a group of friends with $3500 to spare each...
- Ancapistani 2y ago> Now you just need a group of friends with $3500 to spare each... This is something that has bothered me a bit about this discussion. While the base model AVP is $3,499, that's not the whole cost. Add $599 for two years of AppleCare+ (honestly essential for a new, relatively fragile and very expensive device), and either $200 or $400 for the storage upgrade. Buying in to the visionOS ecosystem is ~$4,300 right now.
- fragmede 2y agoyou don't need the storage upgrade. what you do need is a case, which'll run you $200. And then another $80 for lenses if you wear glasses.
- asadotzler 2y agoAnd the average sales tax in the US is over 7% so that's another $275 on the price right there. It's really hard not to break $4,000 for this device.
- behnamoh 2y agoVision Pro must be the worst failed product Apple has ever made, and they made Newton. I remember all the hype about it on Twitter, and then it all went away when people started to realize just how pointless this device is, with all the Apple restrictions that limit its applications.
- guerrilla 2y agoI wonder how many comments there were like this about the iPod and iPhone.
- rchaud 2y agoiPod and iPhone did not cost the equivalent of 2 months' rent. Apple also had the advantage of being an exciting upstart against boring incumbents, where it could enter the market late and still claim that they were the only ones "doing it right". None of these apply to Apple in 2024.
- leptons 2y agoiPod and iPhone didn't cost $3600 and were actually useful to the general public.
- scarface_74 2y agoAnd Apple will never introduce a cheaper version?
- talldayo 2y agoOnly if they fail to convince customers to buy the first, radically expensive version.
- scarface_74 2y agoHave you not been following Apple for the last…45+ years? But it took Apple over two years to sell the first 1 million iPods and the Apple Watch didn’t take off like gangbusters.
- valine 2y agoHappy to see the control center change. Look up for control center is a bad experience.
- Ancapistani 2y agoAgreed. I have it set to the highest setting to reduce accidentally triggering it. It's hard to trigger on purpose and still triggers too much accidentally. Basing in on gestures is a big step forward. I think the next step has already been implemented in Moon Player: you can touch your middle finger to your thumb to toggle gesture detection. Super useful when you're snacking and watching a movie :)
- nozzlegear 2y ago> I have it set to the highest setting to reduce accidentally triggering it. It's hard to trigger on purpose and still triggers too much accidentally. Strange, when I had a Vision Pro I could not trigger the Control Center for the life of me. I felt like a mad man rolling my eyes around the top of my skull trying to get the dang thing to pop up so I could get out of Mount Hood and back to reality.
- wdb 2y agoThinking of buying now that it will be available in Hong Kong
- dewhelmed 2y agoSame thought here when I saw Singapore on the list, but my god it's >S$5000. Is there a cheaper way to get hold of one?
- Ancapistani 2y agoAny questions or concerns? I've been using it extensively since the week it was released, and am happy to answer questions. I do my best to highlight both the advantages and drawbacks.
- 0xWTF 2y agodid you front glass crack? How widespread is that problem? Is there a mechanism identified and has it been mitigated?
- Ancapistani 2y agoI've not experienced that issue, but I've kept up with it on forums. It seems like it's specific mostly to the 512GB and 1TB models, and to the first batch. If pressed, I'd guess there's been on the order of a hundred cases of it. The consensus seems to be that it's a combination of a design defect (the aggressive curve in that portion of the display) and a manufacturing issue (improper heat treatment of the glass?). I've not seen any reports of newly-purchased VPs having the issue. I believe replacement of the glass is $800 without AppleCare+, and $300 with it if it's judged to have been damage rather than a defect. I'm not aware of anyone having to pay to replace the glass if it wasn't dropped or otherwise mishandled. I'll also point out that the crack issue isn't over any of the sensors, so it's pretty much a cosmetic-only issue. Reports show the VP works fine with the front glass completely removed, for what that's worth. There are other issues that haven't gotten as much press. I'm on my second Vision Pro; my first one had a single cluster of hot pixels on the left display, right in the center of my field of view. I traded it without issue at an Apple Store - in fact, I got a ~$100 refund in the process, as my device was originally purchased online with my employer's credit card, so the purchase was taxed at SF rates. The replacement was actually a return + purchase, taxed at the rate where I live. My second VP has a minor issue where a white horizontal line appears on the right display occasionally. I've not yet been able to predict when it will occur. It's relatively rare - I see it maybe once every 5-10 minutes, and it lasts for only a few milliseconds. I would have already had it replaced if I didn't have to drive 2.5 hours to the nearest Apple Store. Because it doesn't impact function, I've not bothered yet. I will before my AppleCare+ runs out.
- jayd16 2y agoIt's good to see it's not abandoned but it just feels so barren. Forget a killer app, how about something that isn't video? A new background makes the top new features list, really? It's a neat device but it seems like Apple can't be bothered to really invest in software that justifies the price tag. Without buzz they're not going to get dev support either. It's not trivial to port an app to hand gesture controls.
- ihumanable 2y agoI think this is Apple's not-so-secret weapon. Apple is just more willing to invest into a product line and build it out for a longer time before throwing in the towel. I saw this really fascinating video from NeXT computers the other day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtnX1EJHbC0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtnX1EJHbC0 It's Steve Jobs talking about their opportunity and it's not hard to see how this strategy is in large part what he executed at Apple. It's about building out the best product you can for the "Professional" class and then also capturing all the market share by people with lots of money that think they need Professional product. Part of that strategy though sorta has to be continued investment, because you can't get a bunch of people to buy $3000 headsets and burn them and not suffer some sort of fallout for that. When you compare it to how its basically a meme at this point that Google is going to kill anything that isn't an instant success or even stuff that is successful but they just don't want to anymore. Apple is sorta the polar opposite. I have an iPhone 11 in my pocket, released in 2019 this thing still works great and iOS 18 will support it 5 years after purchase. I don't think the Apple Vision product is particularly compelling right now, but if they keep iterating on it I imagine I'll probably want the Vision Pro 3