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Considering LLM work is done at a computer the only thing to make this exploitive would be a lack of AC/Heating in the office. I still remember working retail,

Considering LLM work is done at a computer the only thing to make this exploitive would be a lack of AC/Heating in the office. I still remember working retail, I'd love LLM work over having to stand up for 8 hours.

Scoundreller 2y ago
I kinda missed my 8h retail-type job… I only started gaining weight once I got my sit-down one. My retail job paid pretty well though, so that made up for a lot of the usual retail criticism.
- 999900000999 2y ago
  Their definitely needs to be a balance, I gained a lot of weight with my full remote job.
- HPsquared 2y ago
  Job satisfaction in retail depends heavily on the particular clientele.
  - Scoundreller 2y ago
    All walks of life really: pharmacy in a not great part of town. For me, I’d say it depends heavily on what you have to sell. I don’t think I’d be able to handle working a cheque-cashing place or a car dealership where you’re incentivized to sell what someone doesn’t need.
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banannaise 2y ago
Underpaid work is exploitative even if you aren't killing your employees. Hope this helps.
- bongodongobob 2y ago
  Well I frequently see people freaking out that people are only being paid X in Y underdeveloped country! Completely glossing over the fact cost of living is 10x less.
- crazygringo 2y ago
  Define "underpaid". Are you being paid market rate for where you live, without coercion and without collusion? And does it meet local minimum wage laws? And are you fully informed of working conditions, and is physical safety properly regulated? If so, it's hard to see what's exploitative about it. And nothing in the article suggests that any of the things I described (coercion, collusion, etc.) are happening here.
  - sgarland 2y ago
    Minimum wage hasn’t kept up with inflation in decades. And corporations have and continue to lobby Congress (at a state and federal level) for favorable laws to protect them. If that’s not collusion in spirit, I don’t know what is. EDIT: this is US-centric of course, but I am fairly certain that outside of the EU, the story is much the same.
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    - gruez 2y ago
      >Minimum wage hasn’t kept up with inflation in decades 1. I doubt the employees in question were being paid anywhere near minimum wage, so I don't see how this is relevant 2. That just moves the question around. If the minimum wage was adjusted for inflation, does it make it magically not exploitative? What makes the original minimum wage not exploitative? >and continue to lobby Congress (at a state and federal level) for favorable laws to protect them. If that’s not collusion in spirit, I don’t know what is. You're going to have to be more specific here. Not all lobbying is "collusion in spirit" (whatever that means). For instance arguing to weakening environmental regulations might not be great, but it's not exactly "collusion" either.
RavlaAlvar 2y ago
This is exploitative because the surplus value produced by the workers exceeds what they are paid.
- 999900000999 2y ago
  All the workers have to lose is their chains. Unless your a full blown Marxist you need to accept you'll never be paid the full value of your labor. It's a matter of what your other options. Would you rather lay bricks in the hot sun, or sit at a computer for 8 hours a day ?
  - ToucanLoucan 2y ago
    "Please choose your preferred method of body/spirit self destruction and pursue a career accordingly."
  - barfbagginus 2y ago
    As a full-blown queer autonomous neo Marxist, I own my own f*** company. Have done so for 5 years now. We pay all workers their fair share of the socially necessary production time. If the organization needs surplus to invest in equipment, we requisition it from the production with consensus from the workers. I had to kick a number of capitalists to the curb to achieve this. Why? Cuz they wanted to exploit workers, and they wanted me to do it for them. Get lost! You can get paid the full value of your work, if you seize control of the business. Just don't be a wimp, and out maneuver the pudding headed capitalists who know no actual economics or category theory, lol. It's f*** easy.
    - yakshaving_jgt 2y ago
      Asking in earnest: how is the “queer” classification relevant in this context?
      - barfbagginus 2y ago
        It supports queer and neurodiverse inclusivism and intimidates anti-queers. The pillars of fully automated luxury gay space communism are inclusivism, intersectionalism, open source, and taking control of the assets of capitalists through automated and communal asset seizure mechanisms. Even if only queer inclusivists join the movement, we can still win. But if anti-queers infiltrate the movement, then it's in trouble. So I aim to make anti-queers feel very unwelcome, and also see the movement as absurd. That's why I integrate the queer identify into my business theory and revolutionary theory.

Scoundreller 2y ago

I kinda missed my 8h retail-type job… I only started gaining weight once I got my sit-down one. My retail job paid pretty well though, so that made up for a lot of the usual retail criticism.

999900000999 2y ago
Their definitely needs to be a balance, I gained a lot of weight with my full remote job.
HPsquared 2y ago
Job satisfaction in retail depends heavily on the particular clientele.
- Scoundreller 2y ago
  All walks of life really: pharmacy in a not great part of town. For me, I’d say it depends heavily on what you have to sell. I don’t think I’d be able to handle working a cheque-cashing place or a car dealership where you’re incentivized to sell what someone doesn’t need.
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banannaise 2y ago

Underpaid work is exploitative even if you aren't killing your employees. Hope this helps.

bongodongobob 2y ago
Well I frequently see people freaking out that people are only being paid X in Y underdeveloped country! Completely glossing over the fact cost of living is 10x less.
crazygringo 2y ago
Define "underpaid". Are you being paid market rate for where you live, without coercion and without collusion? And does it meet local minimum wage laws? And are you fully informed of working conditions, and is physical safety properly regulated? If so, it's hard to see what's exploitative about it. And nothing in the article suggests that any of the things I described (coercion, collusion, etc.) are happening here.
- sgarland 2y ago
  Minimum wage hasn’t kept up with inflation in decades. And corporations have and continue to lobby Congress (at a state and federal level) for favorable laws to protect them. If that’s not collusion in spirit, I don’t know what is. EDIT: this is US-centric of course, but I am fairly certain that outside of the EU, the story is much the same.
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  - gruez 2y ago
    >Minimum wage hasn’t kept up with inflation in decades 1. I doubt the employees in question were being paid anywhere near minimum wage, so I don't see how this is relevant 2. That just moves the question around. If the minimum wage was adjusted for inflation, does it make it magically not exploitative? What makes the original minimum wage not exploitative? >and continue to lobby Congress (at a state and federal level) for favorable laws to protect them. If that’s not collusion in spirit, I don’t know what is. You're going to have to be more specific here. Not all lobbying is "collusion in spirit" (whatever that means). For instance arguing to weakening environmental regulations might not be great, but it's not exactly "collusion" either.

RavlaAlvar 2y ago

This is exploitative because the surplus value produced by the workers exceeds what they are paid.

999900000999 2y ago
All the workers have to lose is their chains. Unless your a full blown Marxist you need to accept you'll never be paid the full value of your labor. It's a matter of what your other options. Would you rather lay bricks in the hot sun, or sit at a computer for 8 hours a day ?
- ToucanLoucan 2y ago
  "Please choose your preferred method of body/spirit self destruction and pursue a career accordingly."
- barfbagginus 2y ago
  As a full-blown queer autonomous neo Marxist, I own my own f*** company. Have done so for 5 years now. We pay all workers their fair share of the socially necessary production time. If the organization needs surplus to invest in equipment, we requisition it from the production with consensus from the workers. I had to kick a number of capitalists to the curb to achieve this. Why? Cuz they wanted to exploit workers, and they wanted me to do it for them. Get lost! You can get paid the full value of your work, if you seize control of the business. Just don't be a wimp, and out maneuver the pudding headed capitalists who know no actual economics or category theory, lol. It's f*** easy.
  - yakshaving_jgt 2y ago
    Asking in earnest: how is the “queer” classification relevant in this context?
    - barfbagginus 2y ago
      It supports queer and neurodiverse inclusivism and intimidates anti-queers. The pillars of fully automated luxury gay space communism are inclusivism, intersectionalism, open source, and taking control of the assets of capitalists through automated and communal asset seizure mechanisms. Even if only queer inclusivists join the movement, we can still win. But if anti-queers infiltrate the movement, then it's in trouble. So I aim to make anti-queers feel very unwelcome, and also see the movement as absurd. That's why I integrate the queer identify into my business theory and revolutionary theory.