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I got as far as looking at the map and my immediate thought was "basically, almost none of these are actually in London". The second map with the red ones is m

I got as far as looking at the map and my immediate thought was "basically, almost none of these are actually in London". The second map with the red ones is more like the proper answer.

ralferoo 2y ago
Haha, I guess everyone downvoting my comment is sore that they don't live in London proper! Otherwise, I'm not sure why so many people have downvoted a comment pointing out that an article talking about roads in London is excluding on a technicality the roads in Central London that fulfil the criteria (the technicality being that they were renamed to include a determinant precisely because it was confusing) but includes roads that are only considered as being in London if you think everything inside the M25 is London. And yet, these weren't renamed because they weren't in Central London and so weren't deemed to be in conflict with each other. The residents in many of these places would consider them to be towns in their own right, and not in fact part of London.
- helij 2y ago
  Maybe because they actually are in London?
- pjc50 2y ago
  Everything inside the M25 is part of London, yes. This may annoy the residents of Watford who think they are not part of London because they aren't in the GLA, but morally it's London. If you are in a London postcode or a "London Borough of .." you are definitely in London.
  - ralferoo 2y ago
    That was kind of my point. Many of these places don't have London postcodes nor are in the 020 phone district, and have had their own identity for a very long time as towns in their own right. Some of them have in recent years been subsumed into boroughs that are now Greater London, but they have historically never been considered to be London. Some of these places inside the M25 are not even in Greater London boroughs. Despite your baseless claim that they are "morally" part of London, factually they aren't. But anyway, my point was that these places in the article aren't really "in London" - they're merely on the periphery, and while it might be administratively convenient to sometimes lump them together as "Greater London", the fact remains that someone in e.g. Ealing when someone says "Let's meet on the High Street" isn't going to get confused and trek over to Acton or any of the other High Streets even further away, because the place feels like its own little area distinct from and separate to the real London.
- pasc1878 2y ago
  No that is not the definition of London. London here is Greater London - all but a tiny bit of which is inside the M25 (see dg's blog for the exception). There is much inside the M25 that is not in Greater London.
iLoveOncall 2y ago
There's a very easy way to determine if they're in London or not: look at the city at the end of the address. They are in London whether you like it or not. Do I also find ridiculous that some people live 2 hours away from London and say they live in London? Yes. Do they actually live in London? For some yes.
wduquette 2y ago
When I visited London in the late '70's, most of the street signs said "City of Westminster". I was told that the "City of London", properly speaking, was only a small part of what outsiders would call "London", and that the Lord Mayor of London was only the Lord Mayor of that much smaller part. From what folks are saying here, I gather that that's changed; but that's how it was then. Aha: Wikipedia on "Greater London": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_London https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_London

I got as far as looking at the map and my immediate thought was "basically, almost none of these are actually in London". The second map with the red ones is more like the proper answer.

ralferoo 2y ago

Haha, I guess everyone downvoting my comment is sore that they don't live in London proper! Otherwise, I'm not sure why so many people have downvoted a comment pointing out that an article talking about roads in London is excluding on a technicality the roads in Central London that fulfil the criteria (the technicality being that they were renamed to include a determinant precisely because it was confusing) but includes roads that are only considered as being in London if you think everything inside the M25 is London. And yet, these weren't renamed because they weren't in Central London and so weren't deemed to be in conflict with each other. The residents in many of these places would consider them to be towns in their own right, and not in fact part of London.

helij 2y ago
Maybe because they actually are in London?
pjc50 2y ago
Everything inside the M25 is part of London, yes. This may annoy the residents of Watford who think they are not part of London because they aren't in the GLA, but morally it's London. If you are in a London postcode or a "London Borough of .." you are definitely in London.
- ralferoo 2y ago
  That was kind of my point. Many of these places don't have London postcodes nor are in the 020 phone district, and have had their own identity for a very long time as towns in their own right. Some of them have in recent years been subsumed into boroughs that are now Greater London, but they have historically never been considered to be London. Some of these places inside the M25 are not even in Greater London boroughs. Despite your baseless claim that they are "morally" part of London, factually they aren't. But anyway, my point was that these places in the article aren't really "in London" - they're merely on the periphery, and while it might be administratively convenient to sometimes lump them together as "Greater London", the fact remains that someone in e.g. Ealing when someone says "Let's meet on the High Street" isn't going to get confused and trek over to Acton or any of the other High Streets even further away, because the place feels like its own little area distinct from and separate to the real London.
pasc1878 2y ago
No that is not the definition of London. London here is Greater London - all but a tiny bit of which is inside the M25 (see dg's blog for the exception). There is much inside the M25 that is not in Greater London.

iLoveOncall 2y ago

There's a very easy way to determine if they're in London or not: look at the city at the end of the address. They are in London whether you like it or not. Do I also find ridiculous that some people live 2 hours away from London and say they live in London? Yes. Do they actually live in London? For some yes.

wduquette 2y ago

When I visited London in the late '70's, most of the street signs said "City of Westminster". I was told that the "City of London", properly speaking, was only a small part of what outsiders would call "London", and that the Lord Mayor of London was only the Lord Mayor of that much smaller part. From what folks are saying here, I gather that that's changed; but that's how it was then. Aha: Wikipedia on "Greater London": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_London https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_London