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I like the Michael Pollan dictum: "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants." I don't think you can go far wrong with that.

Abekkus 2y ago
For the food portion of that instruction, I'd tell people to "eat cells, not substances." Pasta and rice don't look good along that spectrum.
- jahbrewski 2y ago
  Not sure I’m tracking here. Can you explain this further?
  - JasserInicide 2y ago
    Limit processed food intake
    - rcoveson 2y ago
      "Eat cells, not substances" is a somewhat similar rule to "limit processed food intake", but the former would seem to encourage both pasta and rice while the latter would discourage pasta if you're being strict about it and rice if you're being extremely strict.
    - caseyohara 2y ago
      Isn't that congruent with "mostly plants"?
  - gnicholas 2y ago
    Not GP, but presumably it's a reference to the fact that (white) rice and (refined) pasta are processed in a way that makes them tastier but not as healthy. While you can eat brown rice and whole wheat pasta, they are quite a bit less common, and not as tasty.
    - nradov 2y ago
      Brown rice tends to contain more arsenic than white rice. Everything in moderation. https://doi.org/10.3389%2Ffnut.2023.1209574 https://doi.org/10.3389%2Ffnut.2023.1209574
      - gnicholas 2y ago
        Yeah, pick your poison. I've seen Prop 65 warnings on spinach, which apparently absorbs quite a bit of heavy metals from the soil. Eat your vegetables, but not too much!
pfdietz 2y ago
At some point I predict the endogenous pesticides in plants are going to be found to be very problematic. The famous Ames Test for mutagens goes off on them. https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/ames-test-and-real-world https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/ames-test-and-real... > Plants have evolved a variety of pesticides and antifeedant compounds, many of which are reactive and toxic at some level - therefore, most (as in 99.99%, according to his estimate) of the pesticides in the human diet are those found in the plants themselves. The cruciferous vegetables (broccoli, cabbage, mustard and so on) are particularly rich in compounds that will light up an Ames test. A fine article of his from 1990 (Ang. Chem. Int. Ed.,29, 1197) states that ". . .it is probably true that almost every plant product in the supermarket contains natural carcinogens."

Abekkus 2y ago

For the food portion of that instruction, I'd tell people to "eat cells, not substances." Pasta and rice don't look good along that spectrum.

jahbrewski 2y ago
Not sure I’m tracking here. Can you explain this further?
- JasserInicide 2y ago
  Limit processed food intake
  - rcoveson 2y ago
    "Eat cells, not substances" is a somewhat similar rule to "limit processed food intake", but the former would seem to encourage both pasta and rice while the latter would discourage pasta if you're being strict about it and rice if you're being extremely strict.
  - caseyohara 2y ago
    Isn't that congruent with "mostly plants"?
- gnicholas 2y ago
  Not GP, but presumably it's a reference to the fact that (white) rice and (refined) pasta are processed in a way that makes them tastier but not as healthy. While you can eat brown rice and whole wheat pasta, they are quite a bit less common, and not as tasty.
  - nradov 2y ago
    Brown rice tends to contain more arsenic than white rice. Everything in moderation. https://doi.org/10.3389%2Ffnut.2023.1209574 https://doi.org/10.3389%2Ffnut.2023.1209574
    - gnicholas 2y ago
      Yeah, pick your poison. I've seen Prop 65 warnings on spinach, which apparently absorbs quite a bit of heavy metals from the soil. Eat your vegetables, but not too much!

pfdietz 2y ago

At some point I predict the endogenous pesticides in plants are going to be found to be very problematic. The famous Ames Test for mutagens goes off on them. https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/ames-test-and-real-world https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/ames-test-and-real... > Plants have evolved a variety of pesticides and antifeedant compounds, many of which are reactive and toxic at some level - therefore, most (as in 99.99%, according to his estimate) of the pesticides in the human diet are those found in the plants themselves. The cruciferous vegetables (broccoli, cabbage, mustard and so on) are particularly rich in compounds that will light up an Ames test. A fine article of his from 1990 (Ang. Chem. Int. Ed.,29, 1197) states that ". . .it is probably true that almost every plant product in the supermarket contains natural carcinogens."