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> do we even have privacy anymore? No. We have neither privacy nor even a right to privacy in the USA. The 4th amendment has never provided a comprehensive rig

> do we even have privacy anymore? No. We have neither privacy nor even a right to privacy in the USA. The 4th amendment has never provided a comprehensive right to privacy, and it has been eroded beyond recognition by the Supreme Court. Gen Z are indoctrinated into a world without privacy from a young age - their effects can be searched at any time by school employees and they are videotaped at all times at school. Their friends can look up all their Discord history at https://spy.pet/ https://spy.pet/ Only Gen X / Millenials / other older generations had any privacy in the past.

lulzury 2y ago
These companies would love to have you believe these rights have been eroded enough to not matter. Human rights represent the most profound shift in human consciousness in modern history. These rights can only be eroded if people allow them to be eroded. The 2nd amendment doesn't provide a comprehensive right to carry a fully automatic weapon and yet people fight for their right to carrying a fully automatic weapon. The writers of the Bill of Rights never imagined something like Digital Landscapes when writing the 4th amendment, but they did write about the right of the people to be "secure in their persons" and "against unreasonable searches". It is up to the governed to decide if this encompasses something like Digital Landscapes. IMO the failure to respect the right to privacy is a quick path to empowering authoritarian, repressive, and tyrannical ideologies.
- reaperman 2y ago
  Uhh…what rights are you talking about that we actually have? We should have them, perhaps. But I don’t think we have what you’re talking about under our current laws and constitution. You’re talking like we need to prevent the loss of these rights, but I can’t find any evidence we have much left to lose. A better framing might be “we need to enact these rights and then continue to protect them against erosion over time”.
  - LocalH 2y ago
    Human rights, as a concept, transcend any silly paper documents that purport to "tell" us what "rights" we have. Of course, it really comes down to "who will protect that right", which is how we end up with so many situations where human rights are completely trashed.
- everforward 2y ago
  The bill of rights is a set of limitations on the government, not a general set of limitations. They don’t generally apply to private companies. We are free to pass laws establishing a right to privacy from corporations, but I don’t believe the 4th provides any existing protection.
  - TheCoelacanth 2y ago
    At the time, comparable private searches and seizures were crimes, so there was no need for them to be included in the 4th amendment. New protections of privacy from corporations are desperately needed in the digital era.
  - lulzury 2y ago
    Yes, the Bill of Rights primarily restricts governmental powers and doesn't apply directly to private companies but federal powers such as those granted by the Commerce Clause [0] have been used to defend and pass laws that protect rights in the context of private entities. Example: Civil Rights Act of 1964 [1] "Congress asserted its authority to legislate under several different parts of the United States Constitution, principally its enumerated power to regulate interstate commerce under the Commerce Clause of Article I, Section VIII, its duty to guarantee all citizens equal protection of the laws under the Fourteenth Amendment, and its duty to protect voting rights under the Fifteenth Amendment." [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commerce_Clause https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commerce_Clause [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964
rcbdev 2y ago
Data protection and privacy is taken quite seriously in Europe - I wonder if there will be profound differences in cognitive ability between EU Gen Z and US Gen Z and Alpha in the coming years because of what you describe?
- reaperman 2y ago
  Practical differences in privacy aren’t much at the moment. Yes, GDPR should be powerful, but in reality European’s online habits, communications, and many purchases are still tracked, stored, and auditable by private data brokers. Perhaps Europeans have significantly less medical information sold to third party data brokers. And likely somewhat less of their purchase history. After all, Europeans still use Discord/Reddit/etc. Much of the tracking is done by shady third parties with bots, who ignore GDPR. Or via browser extensions, malware, large-scale data theft and dumps, shady VPNs that get advertised heavily on YouTube, third-party tracking cookies, etc.
whatamidoingyo 2y ago
> Their friends can look up all their Discord history at https://spy.pet/ https://spy.pet/ Wait, what? What exactly does this show you?

lulzury 2y ago

These companies would love to have you believe these rights have been eroded enough to not matter. Human rights represent the most profound shift in human consciousness in modern history. These rights can only be eroded if people allow them to be eroded. The 2nd amendment doesn't provide a comprehensive right to carry a fully automatic weapon and yet people fight for their right to carrying a fully automatic weapon. The writers of the Bill of Rights never imagined something like Digital Landscapes when writing the 4th amendment, but they did write about the right of the people to be "secure in their persons" and "against unreasonable searches". It is up to the governed to decide if this encompasses something like Digital Landscapes. IMO the failure to respect the right to privacy is a quick path to empowering authoritarian, repressive, and tyrannical ideologies.

reaperman 2y ago
Uhh…what rights are you talking about that we actually have? We should have them, perhaps. But I don’t think we have what you’re talking about under our current laws and constitution. You’re talking like we need to prevent the loss of these rights, but I can’t find any evidence we have much left to lose. A better framing might be “we need to enact these rights and then continue to protect them against erosion over time”.
- LocalH 2y ago
  Human rights, as a concept, transcend any silly paper documents that purport to "tell" us what "rights" we have. Of course, it really comes down to "who will protect that right", which is how we end up with so many situations where human rights are completely trashed.
everforward 2y ago
The bill of rights is a set of limitations on the government, not a general set of limitations. They don’t generally apply to private companies. We are free to pass laws establishing a right to privacy from corporations, but I don’t believe the 4th provides any existing protection.
- TheCoelacanth 2y ago
  At the time, comparable private searches and seizures were crimes, so there was no need for them to be included in the 4th amendment. New protections of privacy from corporations are desperately needed in the digital era.
- lulzury 2y ago
  Yes, the Bill of Rights primarily restricts governmental powers and doesn't apply directly to private companies but federal powers such as those granted by the Commerce Clause [0] have been used to defend and pass laws that protect rights in the context of private entities. Example: Civil Rights Act of 1964 [1] "Congress asserted its authority to legislate under several different parts of the United States Constitution, principally its enumerated power to regulate interstate commerce under the Commerce Clause of Article I, Section VIII, its duty to guarantee all citizens equal protection of the laws under the Fourteenth Amendment, and its duty to protect voting rights under the Fifteenth Amendment." [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commerce_Clause https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commerce_Clause [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

rcbdev 2y ago

Data protection and privacy is taken quite seriously in Europe - I wonder if there will be profound differences in cognitive ability between EU Gen Z and US Gen Z and Alpha in the coming years because of what you describe?

reaperman 2y ago
Practical differences in privacy aren’t much at the moment. Yes, GDPR should be powerful, but in reality European’s online habits, communications, and many purchases are still tracked, stored, and auditable by private data brokers. Perhaps Europeans have significantly less medical information sold to third party data brokers. And likely somewhat less of their purchase history. After all, Europeans still use Discord/Reddit/etc. Much of the tracking is done by shady third parties with bots, who ignore GDPR. Or via browser extensions, malware, large-scale data theft and dumps, shady VPNs that get advertised heavily on YouTube, third-party tracking cookies, etc.

whatamidoingyo 2y ago

> Their friends can look up all their Discord history at https://spy.pet/ https://spy.pet/ Wait, what? What exactly does this show you?