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> Right now nobody cares, where "cares" is defined as "alters buying behavior." You're assuming equivalents exist which don't have the downsides but to have th

> Right now nobody cares, where "cares" is defined as "alters buying behavior." You're assuming equivalents exist which don't have the downsides but to have the same upsides. They don't. When there's no viable alternative people are just forced to do things they don't like.

api 2y ago
Pixelmator on macOS is decent. If people are not willing to make trade-offs or sacrifices, this also means they don't care enough for companies to listen.
- dataflow 2y ago
  In what world do you live in that you think it's impossible for the market power dynamics to be unfair and exploitative?
  - api 2y ago
    That's not what I mean. What I mean is that at least some people have to stand up to that unfairness and exploitativeness. When blacks protested bus segregation in the South, they boycotted the busses. That meant they had to walk. It worked. It would be a better more just world if people did not have to make these kinds of sacrifices to be heard, but we don't live in a utopia. We live in a messy real world full of people being assholes and broken systems. In this case the sacrifice is not having to walk in searing heat in the summer while being jeered at by racist assholes. The sacrifice is having to learn a new image editor. We can do this.
    - dataflow 2y ago
      > That's not what I mean. What I mean is that at least some people have to stand up to that unfairness and exploitativeness. How much is "some"? Lots of people bought Affinity products, despite them lacking some critical features that folks need. And now Affinity had been bought by another company that will likely take it the way of Adobe. None of this ever stood a chance of dethroning Adobe before, and it certainly won't now. What percentage of the users do you realistically expect should be willing to risk their income over this, and for how long?
- caseyy 2y ago
  > If people are not willing to make trade-offs or sacrifices, this also means they don't care enough for companies to listen. "If you won't make sacrifices, you don't care enough". Nope. Some people care deeply and still need software that monopolized their workflow. It doesn't matter how much they care, if the VFX company they work in uses the Adobe Suite, it will not re-train all staff and rewrite all the work that's been done (plugins, assets) for the Adobe Suite. I myself work in an adjacent industry - video games. Some 3D tools are as ancient as the civilizations they are named after and Blender has surpassed them in many ways. So much so that recently in AAA games, people have started using Blender a significant amount and many companies now allow a choice. But this is still impossible in many workflows. Game companies have written many plugins and integrations with their pipelines for the ancient software, they have hired staff qualified in this software. There is a very significant cost to switching that is beyond what is possible even for large studios, which I won't name, but I'm sure they made some of your favorite games.

api 2y ago

Pixelmator on macOS is decent. If people are not willing to make trade-offs or sacrifices, this also means they don't care enough for companies to listen.

dataflow 2y ago
In what world do you live in that you think it's impossible for the market power dynamics to be unfair and exploitative?
- api 2y ago
  That's not what I mean. What I mean is that at least some people have to stand up to that unfairness and exploitativeness. When blacks protested bus segregation in the South, they boycotted the busses. That meant they had to walk. It worked. It would be a better more just world if people did not have to make these kinds of sacrifices to be heard, but we don't live in a utopia. We live in a messy real world full of people being assholes and broken systems. In this case the sacrifice is not having to walk in searing heat in the summer while being jeered at by racist assholes. The sacrifice is having to learn a new image editor. We can do this.
  - dataflow 2y ago
    > That's not what I mean. What I mean is that at least some people have to stand up to that unfairness and exploitativeness. How much is "some"? Lots of people bought Affinity products, despite them lacking some critical features that folks need. And now Affinity had been bought by another company that will likely take it the way of Adobe. None of this ever stood a chance of dethroning Adobe before, and it certainly won't now. What percentage of the users do you realistically expect should be willing to risk their income over this, and for how long?
caseyy 2y ago
> If people are not willing to make trade-offs or sacrifices, this also means they don't care enough for companies to listen. "If you won't make sacrifices, you don't care enough". Nope. Some people care deeply and still need software that monopolized their workflow. It doesn't matter how much they care, if the VFX company they work in uses the Adobe Suite, it will not re-train all staff and rewrite all the work that's been done (plugins, assets) for the Adobe Suite. I myself work in an adjacent industry - video games. Some 3D tools are as ancient as the civilizations they are named after and Blender has surpassed them in many ways. So much so that recently in AAA games, people have started using Blender a significant amount and many companies now allow a choice. But this is still impossible in many workflows. Game companies have written many plugins and integrations with their pipelines for the ancient software, they have hired staff qualified in this software. There is a very significant cost to switching that is beyond what is possible even for large studios, which I won't name, but I'm sure they made some of your favorite games.