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Sounds like self-gaslighting to me

throwup238 2y ago
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exe34 2y ago
all forms of happiness or disappointment ultimately boil down to a decision that's made somewhere in your brain: this is bad. this is good. it is entirely within your means to decide for yourself, no matter your circumstances or the vagueries of happenstance.
- shrimp_emoji 2y ago
  Zen meditation is less gaslighting yourself into "false good" and more "the wise old man bowed his head solemnly and spoke, 'There is actually no difference between good and bad things. You imbecile. You fucking moron.'"
  - exe34 2y ago
    it's the same in Stoicism, once you realise that you get to choose for yourself, it doesn't matter what external circumstances are, you can still be pleased with your choices within what's open to you. your comment also reminds me of discourses by Epictetus. he sounds like an irritated teacher modelling what patience looks like.
Aeglaecia 2y ago
any form of therapy can be viewed as gaslighting
- exe34 2y ago
  really? the one I went to felt more like having a parent for an hour a week, and what she did was help me identify the emotions I was experiencing and asking the right questions to help me come up with strategies to deal with those emotions. she was not the one telling me to learn to be happy with less - I demanded that for myself.
  - matt-attack 2y ago
    I found the process entirely ineffective. They apparently have done moral code (de jour) where they’ve decided not to ever tell you anything or give advice and instead to just listen. Ann’s her the patient talk. This may work for certain personality types but sole people find talking Anna’s talking about themselves exhausting and NOT therapeutic.
    - exe34 2y ago
      if you want specific advice, you need to find the right sort of coach for that advice. for example, cognitive behavioural therapy is a skill that you can get taught, and you won't have to talk about yourself much, the tying in with your own experience can be done by you in your head. I haven't taken such a course myself, but that's my understanding of it after my ex- went through it. if your problems are financial, you need an accountant. if you struggle to speak to a large crowd, you need a public speaking coach or training group. a therapist is the one you talk to when you have stuff weighting you down and when you try to talk to others they give advice that starts with "you just need to ...", like you haven't tried it. if reading my post has riled you up, paying somebody to listen to you complaining about it might work quite well.

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all forms of happiness or disappointment ultimately boil down to a decision that's made somewhere in your brain: this is bad. this is good. it is entirely within your means to decide for yourself, no matter your circumstances or the vagueries of happenstance.

shrimp_emoji 2y ago
Zen meditation is less gaslighting yourself into "false good" and more "the wise old man bowed his head solemnly and spoke, 'There is actually no difference between good and bad things. You imbecile. You fucking moron.'"
- exe34 2y ago
  it's the same in Stoicism, once you realise that you get to choose for yourself, it doesn't matter what external circumstances are, you can still be pleased with your choices within what's open to you. your comment also reminds me of discourses by Epictetus. he sounds like an irritated teacher modelling what patience looks like.

Aeglaecia 2y ago

any form of therapy can be viewed as gaslighting

exe34 2y ago
really? the one I went to felt more like having a parent for an hour a week, and what she did was help me identify the emotions I was experiencing and asking the right questions to help me come up with strategies to deal with those emotions. she was not the one telling me to learn to be happy with less - I demanded that for myself.
- matt-attack 2y ago
  I found the process entirely ineffective. They apparently have done moral code (de jour) where they’ve decided not to ever tell you anything or give advice and instead to just listen. Ann’s her the patient talk. This may work for certain personality types but sole people find talking Anna’s talking about themselves exhausting and NOT therapeutic.
  - exe34 2y ago
    if you want specific advice, you need to find the right sort of coach for that advice. for example, cognitive behavioural therapy is a skill that you can get taught, and you won't have to talk about yourself much, the tying in with your own experience can be done by you in your head. I haven't taken such a course myself, but that's my understanding of it after my ex- went through it. if your problems are financial, you need an accountant. if you struggle to speak to a large crowd, you need a public speaking coach or training group. a therapist is the one you talk to when you have stuff weighting you down and when you try to talk to others they give advice that starts with "you just need to ...", like you haven't tried it. if reading my post has riled you up, paying somebody to listen to you complaining about it might work quite well.