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I'm going to make this political, but as this is an election year for the US, Republicans have outright stated they will gut and destroy the EPA should they tak

I'm going to make this political, but as this is an election year for the US, Republicans have outright stated they will gut and destroy the EPA should they take the White House this year which would be disastrous for the climate.

theossuary 2y ago
Project 2025 exists, and should Trump win in November it will be implemented. They spell out a plan which would dismantle the EPA and rollback the goals set forth to avoid the worst outcomes of climate change (temperatures increasing at or over 2C within 100 years). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025
- Galaxeblaffer 2y ago
  that was a scary read.. i guess reform is needed but not like that
- giantg2 2y ago
  I think you mean Trump wants to implement Agenda 47. There is overlap with Project 2025, but they are different.
  - theossuary 2y ago
    Yes Agenda 47 is Trump's proposed agenda should he win; Project 2025 would be the platform of the Republican party as a whole should he win. The Heritage Foundation has been using purity tests within the Republican Party for years to force politicians in line, and will continue to do so to push forward Project 2025.
    - giantg2 2y ago
      "Project 2025 would be the platform of the Republican party as a whole should he win." That's just your conjecture. It seems unlikely that would be the platform for the party in its entirety. Parts of it, maybe. The party didn't set anything like this the last time. I'd expect a similar lack of cohesion and following Trump this time. Agenda 47 is the most probable.
api 2y ago
The reasoning process from their perspective is (I don't agree BTW) that "China and India won't cut emissions so it doesn't matter if we do, so we should just say fuck it."
- immibis 2y ago
  You're talking about the stated reasoning, but politicians in general, but especially those politicians, have long track records of lying.
giantg2 2y ago
I'm a little skeptical. Most politicians are just drumming up votes. Last time Trump won I believe they had the House, Senate, and White House for a year ot two. They didn't do very much. Most of it was small changes that didn't affect most people. It's unlikely this time would be any different, especially with less legislative branch support. The real problem is that both sides have gotten more extreme, more polarized, and less likely to make legitimate compromises or understand the concerns of the other side. Edit: why disagree?
- burkaman 2y ago
  Here's a (not at all exhaustive) list of concrete actions the last Republican administration took: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/climate/trump-environment-rollbacks-list.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/climate/trump-envir.... Major things you may recall are withdrawing from the Paris Climate Agreement, placing the EPA and Interior Department under the control of officials who denied the reality of climate change, and repealing the Clean Power Plan. In their own words, here are the changes they plan to make to the EPA and Department of the Interior if they take control again: https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_CHAPTER-13.pdf https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_CHA..., https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_CHAPTER-16.pdf https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_CHA.... These documents were not written to drum up votes, they are very detailed policy plans that most voters will never see.
  - giantg2 2y ago
    You do realize Project 2025 is a political subgroup of about 80 people/orgs, right? This is not official policy documents of the entire political party. Even Trump's policies are not fully aligned to the party, but you can look at those under the Agenda 47 project. This would be like me saying Brand New Congress or Our Revolution are official policies of the Democrat party. There may be overlap, but they're political subgroups. Yes, I see 100 environmental rules rolled back. Many of which make little difference in people's lives as I said before. Most of those rules have state level rules that provide similar protections anyways. I don't see the Paris Climate Agreement as a big deal. It's a voluntary pact that we had no chance at meeting anyways. It's mostly just symbolic and both sides make a big deal about it for riling people up. I'd they really wanted to make a big deal with it, the countries would have pooled funding and worked together on a research org that could have created new technologies free to license. Many of the rules probably would have been better off left on the books, but in effect not much changed. I get that your view might differ. I'm sure you there are (non-environmental) rules that I could say are a big deal that you would argue are not.
burkaman 2y ago
Not just the US, the EU elections that just began will have a huge effect on our future efforts against climate change.
klyrs 2y ago
You didn't make this political. The oil lobby bought politicians, who made this political. They've bought their fair share of Democrats too, but the way this has become a point of identity for Republicans is indeed scary.
ldehaan 2y ago
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theossuary 2y ago

Project 2025 exists, and should Trump win in November it will be implemented. They spell out a plan which would dismantle the EPA and rollback the goals set forth to avoid the worst outcomes of climate change (temperatures increasing at or over 2C within 100 years). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025

Galaxeblaffer 2y ago
that was a scary read.. i guess reform is needed but not like that
giantg2 2y ago
I think you mean Trump wants to implement Agenda 47. There is overlap with Project 2025, but they are different.
- theossuary 2y ago
  Yes Agenda 47 is Trump's proposed agenda should he win; Project 2025 would be the platform of the Republican party as a whole should he win. The Heritage Foundation has been using purity tests within the Republican Party for years to force politicians in line, and will continue to do so to push forward Project 2025.
  - giantg2 2y ago
    "Project 2025 would be the platform of the Republican party as a whole should he win." That's just your conjecture. It seems unlikely that would be the platform for the party in its entirety. Parts of it, maybe. The party didn't set anything like this the last time. I'd expect a similar lack of cohesion and following Trump this time. Agenda 47 is the most probable.

api 2y ago

The reasoning process from their perspective is (I don't agree BTW) that "China and India won't cut emissions so it doesn't matter if we do, so we should just say fuck it."

immibis 2y ago
You're talking about the stated reasoning, but politicians in general, but especially those politicians, have long track records of lying.

giantg2 2y ago

I'm a little skeptical. Most politicians are just drumming up votes. Last time Trump won I believe they had the House, Senate, and White House for a year ot two. They didn't do very much. Most of it was small changes that didn't affect most people. It's unlikely this time would be any different, especially with less legislative branch support. The real problem is that both sides have gotten more extreme, more polarized, and less likely to make legitimate compromises or understand the concerns of the other side. Edit: why disagree?

burkaman 2y ago
Here's a (not at all exhaustive) list of concrete actions the last Republican administration took: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/climate/trump-environment-rollbacks-list.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/climate/trump-envir.... Major things you may recall are withdrawing from the Paris Climate Agreement, placing the EPA and Interior Department under the control of officials who denied the reality of climate change, and repealing the Clean Power Plan. In their own words, here are the changes they plan to make to the EPA and Department of the Interior if they take control again: https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_CHAPTER-13.pdf https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_CHA..., https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_CHAPTER-16.pdf https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_CHA.... These documents were not written to drum up votes, they are very detailed policy plans that most voters will never see.
- giantg2 2y ago
  You do realize Project 2025 is a political subgroup of about 80 people/orgs, right? This is not official policy documents of the entire political party. Even Trump's policies are not fully aligned to the party, but you can look at those under the Agenda 47 project. This would be like me saying Brand New Congress or Our Revolution are official policies of the Democrat party. There may be overlap, but they're political subgroups. Yes, I see 100 environmental rules rolled back. Many of which make little difference in people's lives as I said before. Most of those rules have state level rules that provide similar protections anyways. I don't see the Paris Climate Agreement as a big deal. It's a voluntary pact that we had no chance at meeting anyways. It's mostly just symbolic and both sides make a big deal about it for riling people up. I'd they really wanted to make a big deal with it, the countries would have pooled funding and worked together on a research org that could have created new technologies free to license. Many of the rules probably would have been better off left on the books, but in effect not much changed. I get that your view might differ. I'm sure you there are (non-environmental) rules that I could say are a big deal that you would argue are not.

burkaman 2y ago

Not just the US, the EU elections that just began will have a huge effect on our future efforts against climate change.

klyrs 2y ago

You didn't make this political. The oil lobby bought politicians, who made this political. They've bought their fair share of Democrats too, but the way this has become a point of identity for Republicans is indeed scary.

ldehaan 2y ago

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