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No, it’s not. Living where you want, for free, is not a right.
by next_xibalba 2y ago
No, it’s not. Living where you want, for free, is not a right.
- madeofpalk 2y agoSquatters doesn't make purposefully leaving houses vavent any less immoral.
- bpodgursky 2y agoGet rid of the pathetic scarcity mindset. Just build more houses and then nobody will care.
- mannycalavera42 2y agoWhy it's not immoral? can you elaborate?
- ITB 2y agoBecause our society believes in property rights. Individuals can have any reason they want to own property and do with it what it pleases them.
- zajio1am 2y agoProperty rights are human rights.
- Enginerrrd 2y agoSo if you buy a fixer upper, one that would be unfit for renting to people. You can't spend your weekends and holidays working on it for a few months to get it into better condition without being called immoral? Sorry that my lack of funds and desire to better myself offends you, but that's a crazy take.
- TotalCrackpot 2y agoHaving a free shelter is fundamental to a person's freedom, arguing otherwise is immoral.
- s1artibartfast 2y agoAnd who has to build that shelter, and what about their freedom?
- TotalCrackpot 2y agoNo one has to build that shelter, no one should be coerced to that.
- s1artibartfast 2y agoSo nobody is forced to build shelter, but if someone does build one for themselves, it can be taken? Just trying to understand how this right to shelter works.
- TotalCrackpot 2y agoIt's crucial to understand that if we let a person that build a shelter keep it for eternity then that person can build many shelters such that there will be no land left for other people to build their shelters on.
- s1artibartfast 2y agoIndeed. This is why in a society free from theft, one must build or make something for exchange to get things you want. I don't see why buying two plots and building two houses entitles someone else to one of them.
- TotalCrackpot 2y agoI don't agree with the notion of buying a plot. No one should ever have to pay for an empty plot of land.
- s1artibartfast 2y ago
- kaskakokos 2y agoYes, It is in Spain: Article 47 of Spanish Constitution: All Spaniards are entitled to enjoy decent and adequate housing. The public authorities shall promote the necessary conditions and shall establish appropriate standards in order to make this right effective, regulating land use in accordance with the general interest in order to prevent speculation.
- miguelxt 2y agoNo, it's not. It does not mean you have the right to live in a flat en La Castellana for whatever you want pay. It means the State has to implement policies to help people access housing. Also, article 33 give citizens the right to private property. You cannot come squat in my house because article 33 should prevent it, even when article 47 exists.
- kaskakokos 2y agoYep, good point. Let's avoid considering outliers to maintain a balanced discussion. While I don't believe anyone has the right to live in Castellana or the Royal Palace, it also wouldn't be fair to require someone to move to the desert to find a home.
- ImJamal 2y agoHaving a right to housing is not the same as having the right to "living where you want". If they actually had that right then a Spaniard would have the right to live in the king's and politicians' houses which is obviously not a right.