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I'm all for people switching to Linux from Windows. But doesn't Recall only work on Microsoft Copilot+ PCs? I'm assuming anyone on a normal PC doesn't have to w

I'm all for people switching to Linux from Windows. But doesn't Recall only work on Microsoft Copilot+ PCs? I'm assuming anyone on a normal PC doesn't have to worry about Recall. But I could be completely wrong.

hhh 2y ago
Yes, for now.
mhh__ 2y ago
One day an update will turn it on everywhere. Possibly by accident.
- aceazzameen 2y ago
  Most PCs don't have the chip capable of running it though. Running it without the chip would probably slow most people's current PCs to a crawl. And if that were to ever happen, it's easy enough to roll back to an earlier update.
firtoz 2y ago
You can see it as a testbed. Now it's those machines only, and opt-out. Eventually more and more machines will come with the necessary chips. And it will be more of an effort to opt out. Then only professional versions will be able to opt out, through more and more complicated pathways. Eventually it'll just be part of the OS. Meanwhile they'll find ways to sell the side effects of the functionality to other organisations, for example to monitor employees etc, to begin with. Then to governments, why not.
- kevinh 2y ago
  Why should I switch now and not at point 3 or 4 in that flow if your hypothetical ever comes to pass?
  - firtoz 2y ago
    Because it becomes more and more normalised and you will be less likely to be creeped out by it because "everyone has it so it's k"
  - echohack5 2y ago
    Death by a thousand cuts. Microsoft Recall in a vacuum isn't the issue, but rather a decade of - Forced Cortana (oops no let's shut that down) - Forced OS Updates (oops your computer doesn't have the requirements) - Ads in your start menu - "Yes" and "maybe later" interactions everywhere - Edge force defaulting itself on occasion - Literally needing configuration management to run powershell on a daily cadence because settings might not get respected - 5 Layers of failed UI frameworks duct taped together Basically Windows is becoming such a bear to wrangle that you might as well use Linux and save yourself the pain and $100 per computer.
  - yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
    We're actually at step 45 or so; if you showed Windows 11 to a user 20 years ago they'd run screaming. So no, when we get to step 49 you'll have adjusted your expectations and go along with it.
- aceazzameen 2y ago
  By that time it won't be Windows 11. It will definitely be in Windows 12 or 13 though.
benhurmarcel 2y ago
Even then, you'll be able to turn it off. It's much easier than switching OS.

hhh 2y ago

Yes, for now.

mhh__ 2y ago

One day an update will turn it on everywhere. Possibly by accident.

aceazzameen 2y ago
Most PCs don't have the chip capable of running it though. Running it without the chip would probably slow most people's current PCs to a crawl. And if that were to ever happen, it's easy enough to roll back to an earlier update.

firtoz 2y ago

You can see it as a testbed. Now it's those machines only, and opt-out. Eventually more and more machines will come with the necessary chips. And it will be more of an effort to opt out. Then only professional versions will be able to opt out, through more and more complicated pathways. Eventually it'll just be part of the OS. Meanwhile they'll find ways to sell the side effects of the functionality to other organisations, for example to monitor employees etc, to begin with. Then to governments, why not.

kevinh 2y ago
Why should I switch now and not at point 3 or 4 in that flow if your hypothetical ever comes to pass?
- firtoz 2y ago
  Because it becomes more and more normalised and you will be less likely to be creeped out by it because "everyone has it so it's k"
- echohack5 2y ago
  Death by a thousand cuts. Microsoft Recall in a vacuum isn't the issue, but rather a decade of - Forced Cortana (oops no let's shut that down) - Forced OS Updates (oops your computer doesn't have the requirements) - Ads in your start menu - "Yes" and "maybe later" interactions everywhere - Edge force defaulting itself on occasion - Literally needing configuration management to run powershell on a daily cadence because settings might not get respected - 5 Layers of failed UI frameworks duct taped together Basically Windows is becoming such a bear to wrangle that you might as well use Linux and save yourself the pain and $100 per computer.
- yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
  We're actually at step 45 or so; if you showed Windows 11 to a user 20 years ago they'd run screaming. So no, when we get to step 49 you'll have adjusted your expectations and go along with it.
aceazzameen 2y ago
By that time it won't be Windows 11. It will definitely be in Windows 12 or 13 though.

benhurmarcel 2y ago

Even then, you'll be able to turn it off. It's much easier than switching OS.