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>Whether or not those people are "threats" shall remain to be seen, but Israel is going to lose (is, already, losing) the hearts and minds of everybody on the p

by Levitz 2y ago

>Whether or not those people are "threats" shall remain to be seen, but Israel is going to lose (is, already, losing) the hearts and minds of everybody on the planet under age 40 At this point, I think these are not the real power dynamics. I used to think Israel needed western support to exist. I don't do anymore. Now I believe that Israel needs any support, and they are perfectly fine with the idea of allying with Russia, China or whoever seems reliable enough and willing to put up with their stuff. Which means that Israel is not dependent on the west, more specifically, the US. The US is reliant on Israel for presence in the middle east. Which would explain why they seem to do whatever they want, ignoring warnings from the US. The warnings aren't real, Israel is going to commit unspeakable abuses on a population either way, so might as well have them on our side. I believe that to be the current state of affairs.

YeGoblynQueenne 2y ago
Take my upvotes. Take them! Guidelines schmidelines! (OK, I only got one).
- DANmode 2y ago
  Take this unsubstantive garbage back to reddit, please.
  - YeGoblynQueenne 2y ago
    Hello friend. I've been on HN for a while. I contribute to the discussions here and contribute with submissions (you can check my submissions and comments pages through my profile). I have earned my right to crack a joke once in a while. Please consider not shooting from the hip and respecting other users' comments here, yourself.
    - DANmode 2y ago
      It was actually the age of your account that led me to "shoot from the hip". There's no "right" to disrupt the conversation. I feel bad about doing it here, now. But, I hate having my reading disrupted by that "vibe". If you're a friend, please follow the guidelines.
joquarky 2y ago
> The US is reliant on Israel for presence in the middle east. Given rapid adoption of alternative energy, how much effort will the US continue to invest in having a presence there?
throw310822 2y ago
I have no doubts that Israel is willing to search for support anywhere it can find it. Yet, this doesn't mean that they don't need the western one to keep with their standards of living, political standing in the west, and self-identification as a modern western country. A serious political condemnation and sanctions would be enough to steer Israel towards a different course- provided that the radicalisation of society hasn't already reached a point of no return. On the other hand, the US certainly doesn't need an ally that creates far more problems than it resolves. Their solid, oil-rich ally in the region is Saudi Arabia. The power dynamic between Israel and the US is not that of a client-state and its powerful protector or even one between allies; it resembles more that of a narcissistic, abusive lover towards their submissive partner. This is why we have been seeing the entire US government utterly humiliating itself for the past few months, finding pathetic excuses to pretend they haven't been slapped in the face every single day, while reiterating their unconditional love and swearing that their partner never did anything wrong. Really, there is no rational (in the sense of geo-political or strategic) explanation for this. It's a psychological subjugation.

by Levitz 2y ago

YeGoblynQueenne 2y ago

Take my upvotes. Take them! Guidelines schmidelines! (OK, I only got one).

DANmode 2y ago
Take this unsubstantive garbage back to reddit, please.
- YeGoblynQueenne 2y ago
  Hello friend. I've been on HN for a while. I contribute to the discussions here and contribute with submissions (you can check my submissions and comments pages through my profile). I have earned my right to crack a joke once in a while. Please consider not shooting from the hip and respecting other users' comments here, yourself.
  - DANmode 2y ago
    It was actually the age of your account that led me to "shoot from the hip". There's no "right" to disrupt the conversation. I feel bad about doing it here, now. But, I hate having my reading disrupted by that "vibe". If you're a friend, please follow the guidelines.

joquarky 2y ago

> The US is reliant on Israel for presence in the middle east. Given rapid adoption of alternative energy, how much effort will the US continue to invest in having a presence there?

throw310822 2y ago

I have no doubts that Israel is willing to search for support anywhere it can find it. Yet, this doesn't mean that they don't need the western one to keep with their standards of living, political standing in the west, and self-identification as a modern western country. A serious political condemnation and sanctions would be enough to steer Israel towards a different course- provided that the radicalisation of society hasn't already reached a point of no return. On the other hand, the US certainly doesn't need an ally that creates far more problems than it resolves. Their solid, oil-rich ally in the region is Saudi Arabia. The power dynamic between Israel and the US is not that of a client-state and its powerful protector or even one between allies; it resembles more that of a narcissistic, abusive lover towards their submissive partner. This is why we have been seeing the entire US government utterly humiliating itself for the past few months, finding pathetic excuses to pretend they haven't been slapped in the face every single day, while reiterating their unconditional love and swearing that their partner never did anything wrong. Really, there is no rational (in the sense of geo-political or strategic) explanation for this. It's a psychological subjugation.