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It appears the government has no clear strategy and lacks the famous "the day after" plan. But from IDF side, it took two weeks to take over the whole border w

It appears the government has no clear strategy and lacks the famous "the day after" plan. But from IDF side, it took two weeks to take over the whole border with Egypt. Rafah is empty and by the end of the month, it will be Israeli. So yes, they spent months not doing anything while the government was trying to secure hostage release and Biden was screaming do not touch Rafah. But in general what strategy do you need? Take over, destroy the military infra and prevent smuggling. That's all that is needed. Gaza is thousand years back, it will never recover. It is not a threat anymore in any meaningful way.

cess11 2y ago
Do you really believe this? Do you think this is an efficient way to perform military counterinsurgency? And are you really sure it's a good idea to wallow in war crimes like this in relation to the rest of the world? Something like, the UAE kind of gets away with it in Sudan currently, so Israel can use IDF like its own janjaweed?
- myth_drannon 2y ago
  Look at Judea&Samaria, beyond a shooting from stolen weapons nothing happens and that's without tight control over the border. Insurgency works as long as you have a constant supply of weapons. Gaza had it, but not anymore.
  - cess11 2y ago
    Why do you think that? I follow the reports from palestinian resistance and news quite closely and see no signs that the weapon supplies have been cut off.
- cogman10 2y ago
  Efficient, yes. Monstrous, also yes. Efficiently killing civilians doesn't make a nation moral.
  - cess11 2y ago
    I think you stopped reading at that word and because of this disregard the goal stated afterwards.
dicefordeath 2y ago
The IDF's ability to steamroll Gaza was never a question
A_D_E_P_T 2y ago
> But in general what strategy do you need? Take over, destroy the military infra and prevent smuggling. That's all that is needed. Gaza is thousand years back, it will never recover. It is not a threat anymore in any meaningful way. Impressively amoral post, but this is insanity. (1) Israel doesn't exist in a vacuum. It is not self-sufficient. (2) There's something monstrous about keeping 2M people herded up in a closed pen. Whether or not those people are "threats" shall remain to be seen, but Israel is going to lose (is, already, losing) the hearts and minds of everybody on the planet under age 40 -- and you're going to see what being a real pariah state feels like. Israel won't survive as a state very long after that; it is a hard thing, to be despised. And yet, if it comes to that point, it will be very richly deserved. What you need is a strategy which improves the lives of Gazans -- not one that bombs their homes to rubble and sets them back a thousand years. You need to address their very real grievance. Without this, you're both sunk. Gonna end in tears, like I said.
- Levitz 2y ago
  >Whether or not those people are "threats" shall remain to be seen, but Israel is going to lose (is, already, losing) the hearts and minds of everybody on the planet under age 40 At this point, I think these are not the real power dynamics. I used to think Israel needed western support to exist. I don't do anymore. Now I believe that Israel needs any support, and they are perfectly fine with the idea of allying with Russia, China or whoever seems reliable enough and willing to put up with their stuff. Which means that Israel is not dependent on the west, more specifically, the US. The US is reliant on Israel for presence in the middle east. Which would explain why they seem to do whatever they want, ignoring warnings from the US. The warnings aren't real, Israel is going to commit unspeakable abuses on a population either way, so might as well have them on our side. I believe that to be the current state of affairs.
  - YeGoblynQueenne 2y ago
    Take my upvotes. Take them! Guidelines schmidelines! (OK, I only got one).
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cess11 2y ago

Do you really believe this? Do you think this is an efficient way to perform military counterinsurgency? And are you really sure it's a good idea to wallow in war crimes like this in relation to the rest of the world? Something like, the UAE kind of gets away with it in Sudan currently, so Israel can use IDF like its own janjaweed?

myth_drannon 2y ago
Look at Judea&Samaria, beyond a shooting from stolen weapons nothing happens and that's without tight control over the border. Insurgency works as long as you have a constant supply of weapons. Gaza had it, but not anymore.
- cess11 2y ago
  Why do you think that? I follow the reports from palestinian resistance and news quite closely and see no signs that the weapon supplies have been cut off.
cogman10 2y ago
Efficient, yes. Monstrous, also yes. Efficiently killing civilians doesn't make a nation moral.
- cess11 2y ago
  I think you stopped reading at that word and because of this disregard the goal stated afterwards.

dicefordeath 2y ago

The IDF's ability to steamroll Gaza was never a question

A_D_E_P_T 2y ago

> But in general what strategy do you need? Take over, destroy the military infra and prevent smuggling. That's all that is needed. Gaza is thousand years back, it will never recover. It is not a threat anymore in any meaningful way. Impressively amoral post, but this is insanity. (1) Israel doesn't exist in a vacuum. It is not self-sufficient. (2) There's something monstrous about keeping 2M people herded up in a closed pen. Whether or not those people are "threats" shall remain to be seen, but Israel is going to lose (is, already, losing) the hearts and minds of everybody on the planet under age 40 -- and you're going to see what being a real pariah state feels like. Israel won't survive as a state very long after that; it is a hard thing, to be despised. And yet, if it comes to that point, it will be very richly deserved. What you need is a strategy which improves the lives of Gazans -- not one that bombs their homes to rubble and sets them back a thousand years. You need to address their very real grievance. Without this, you're both sunk. Gonna end in tears, like I said.

Levitz 2y ago
>Whether or not those people are "threats" shall remain to be seen, but Israel is going to lose (is, already, losing) the hearts and minds of everybody on the planet under age 40 At this point, I think these are not the real power dynamics. I used to think Israel needed western support to exist. I don't do anymore. Now I believe that Israel needs any support, and they are perfectly fine with the idea of allying with Russia, China or whoever seems reliable enough and willing to put up with their stuff. Which means that Israel is not dependent on the west, more specifically, the US. The US is reliant on Israel for presence in the middle east. Which would explain why they seem to do whatever they want, ignoring warnings from the US. The warnings aren't real, Israel is going to commit unspeakable abuses on a population either way, so might as well have them on our side. I believe that to be the current state of affairs.
- YeGoblynQueenne 2y ago
  Take my upvotes. Take them! Guidelines schmidelines! (OK, I only got one).

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