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I'm sorry - when did this supposed "promised land" ever exist? Back in the 80s I remember people lamenting that they couldn't get a job even with a degree becau

I'm sorry - when did this supposed "promised land" ever exist? Back in the 80s I remember people lamenting that they couldn't get a job even with a degree because everybody wanted a minimum of two years of experience. For as long as I can remember there's been a disconnect between students' expectations and the realities of the job market. Graduates discover they're only qualified for junior-level positions, if that, and not making anywhere near the money they thought they were going to make. Like I said, this has been the case for decades. Not sure why all of a sudden everybody thinks everything is suddenly different.

Edd1CC 2y ago
Social media with people showing off how they landed a $350k job after graduating. Really common for the last few years if you're in the target demographic to get videos like "How I spent my $20k monthly salary as a 22 year old in FANG" or whatever. It was inbound marketing to leetcode courses (like neetcode) whose owner did just this, but I think it also caused a huge expectation that if you go to university and learn some puzzles you'll also earn a million before 30. Examples: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7s1IYVfvSA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7s1IYVfvSA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4h0A9mr6r4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4h0A9mr6r4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnmM-0E2bx0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnmM-0E2bx0 etc...
circlefavshape 2y ago
Don't FAANGs hire people for good salaries straight out of college? Accenture (or Anderson as it was known then) and some other big corporates used to do the same in the early 90s when I graduated - but then as now that was only a possibility for a few
- francisofascii 2y ago
  Right. Some companies prefer college grads, so they can mold them and expect longer hours.
cagenut 2y ago
this is exactly the kind of middlebrow contrarian dismissal that would have been prevented by reading the first three paragraphs of the article. the quotes are from the employer side not the grad side.
francisofascii 2y ago
There were certainly periods where it was easier to land internships than other periods. For example, in 2000, easy. 2002 hard. It probably correlates to the overall job market for that market sector.
jmclnx 2y ago
But there is one difference between the 80s and now. If you got hired in the 80s, the company would train you in their processes and the systems you would work on. This is even if you had experience, only the training would be more intense. In some cases, you were not expected to be productive even after 1 month. Now, no matter your experience, you are expected to know what to do the very second you walk in the door. I have seen this a lot over the past 20+ years. Plus if it seems you are not a quick learner, out the door you go. edit: fixed spelling of walk :)
bryanlarsen 2y ago
The biggest difference AFAICT is that the funnel for junior positions used to go through Universities. Companies posted junior positions at Universities so people who weren't new grads were screwed. For example if you graduated in 2002 and didn't get a job because of the tech recession and then tried to get a job in 2004 as a junior with no experience you were screwed because you didn't have access to University job postings. Now of course all job postings are on the Internet.

Edd1CC 2y ago

Social media with people showing off how they landed a $350k job after graduating. Really common for the last few years if you're in the target demographic to get videos like "How I spent my $20k monthly salary as a 22 year old in FANG" or whatever. It was inbound marketing to leetcode courses (like neetcode) whose owner did just this, but I think it also caused a huge expectation that if you go to university and learn some puzzles you'll also earn a million before 30. Examples: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7s1IYVfvSA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7s1IYVfvSA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4h0A9mr6r4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4h0A9mr6r4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnmM-0E2bx0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnmM-0E2bx0 etc...

circlefavshape 2y ago

Don't FAANGs hire people for good salaries straight out of college? Accenture (or Anderson as it was known then) and some other big corporates used to do the same in the early 90s when I graduated - but then as now that was only a possibility for a few

francisofascii 2y ago
Right. Some companies prefer college grads, so they can mold them and expect longer hours.

cagenut 2y ago

this is exactly the kind of middlebrow contrarian dismissal that would have been prevented by reading the first three paragraphs of the article. the quotes are from the employer side not the grad side.

francisofascii 2y ago

There were certainly periods where it was easier to land internships than other periods. For example, in 2000, easy. 2002 hard. It probably correlates to the overall job market for that market sector.

jmclnx 2y ago

But there is one difference between the 80s and now. If you got hired in the 80s, the company would train you in their processes and the systems you would work on. This is even if you had experience, only the training would be more intense. In some cases, you were not expected to be productive even after 1 month. Now, no matter your experience, you are expected to know what to do the very second you walk in the door. I have seen this a lot over the past 20+ years. Plus if it seems you are not a quick learner, out the door you go. edit: fixed spelling of walk :)

bryanlarsen 2y ago

The biggest difference AFAICT is that the funnel for junior positions used to go through Universities. Companies posted junior positions at Universities so people who weren't new grads were screwed. For example if you graduated in 2002 and didn't get a job because of the tech recession and then tried to get a job in 2004 as a junior with no experience you were screwed because you didn't have access to University job postings. Now of course all job postings are on the Internet.