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Integrated ram, limited to 32 Gb. I wonder if they'll make 4 Gb SKUs to outdo Apple at their own game... Also, will the spying coprocessor, sorry, "AI" coproc

Integrated ram, limited to 32 Gb. I wonder if they'll make 4 Gb SKUs to outdo Apple at their own game... Also, will the spying coprocessor, sorry, "AI" coprocessor, have a hardware off switch that will cut the power to that part of the CPU?

Sakos 2y ago
I'm so tired of soldered components. The performance and power benefits are simply not good enough to justify producing millions of landfill-destined devices and high costs for consumers.
- johnny22 2y ago
  I don't think soldered components would have been a big deal were the amounts enough. 32gb soldered on say 7 years ago would last you a long time. If they're gonna solder, they need to stop skimping.
  - nottorp 2y ago
    One other major problem with soldering is only the most common SKUs are in stock, at least if you're in a smaller market. I mean, I hope the US is different, not sure if that's true. If you want to future proof and max out the ram you have to wait. And if you need an emergency hardware replacement, you're screwed.
fomine3 2y ago
Apple M3 supports up to 24GB of RAM so it's not so bad.
- nottorp 2y ago
  Apple supports up to 96 or 128 gb in laptops though. Why do you compare just with the entry level SoC? That doesn’t make them any less assholes (cough ram pricing). I’m predicting that Intel will try to outcompete them at assholery though.
  - wmf 2y ago
    Intel also supports 128 GB, just not on the entry-level Lunar Lake.
    - nottorp 2y ago
      On what? Martian Lake? Jupiterian Lake? I bought a new x86 box 2 years ago so I haven't looked lately. I'd guess they have 128 Gb on some xeon labeled SKU that costs as much as a good used car?
      - Dylan16807 2y ago
        For laptops, it looks like 14th gen jumped the standard support from 96GB to 192GB. For desktops, 128GB has been supported for ages. Anything with DDR5 support is good for 192GB/256GB.
        nottorp 2y ago
        Wait, are you talking about the systems with separate memory modules? I'm talking about these new things with ram integrated into the SoC...
        Dylan16807 2y ago
        > I'm talking about these new things with ram integrated into the SoC... But you were already told that this limit is just for this entry-level series of chips. You asked what other series of Intel chips supported more memory, and the answer is all of them. If your question was supposed to not be about other chips, then your question makes no sense to me. And if that's the case then why did you bring up Xeons and your previous box?
        nottorp 2y ago
        > this limit is just for this entry-level series of chips ... for now > then your question makes no sense to me It makes sense when you consider they will go ahead and add integrated ram in more SKUs in the future. Possibly all except the Xeons.

Sakos 2y ago

I'm so tired of soldered components. The performance and power benefits are simply not good enough to justify producing millions of landfill-destined devices and high costs for consumers.

johnny22 2y ago
I don't think soldered components would have been a big deal were the amounts enough. 32gb soldered on say 7 years ago would last you a long time. If they're gonna solder, they need to stop skimping.
- nottorp 2y ago
  One other major problem with soldering is only the most common SKUs are in stock, at least if you're in a smaller market. I mean, I hope the US is different, not sure if that's true. If you want to future proof and max out the ram you have to wait. And if you need an emergency hardware replacement, you're screwed.

fomine3 2y ago

Apple M3 supports up to 24GB of RAM so it's not so bad.

nottorp 2y ago
Apple supports up to 96 or 128 gb in laptops though. Why do you compare just with the entry level SoC? That doesn’t make them any less assholes (cough ram pricing). I’m predicting that Intel will try to outcompete them at assholery though.
- wmf 2y ago
  Intel also supports 128 GB, just not on the entry-level Lunar Lake.
  - nottorp 2y ago
    On what? Martian Lake? Jupiterian Lake? I bought a new x86 box 2 years ago so I haven't looked lately. I'd guess they have 128 Gb on some xeon labeled SKU that costs as much as a good used car?
    - Dylan16807 2y ago
      For laptops, it looks like 14th gen jumped the standard support from 96GB to 192GB. For desktops, 128GB has been supported for ages. Anything with DDR5 support is good for 192GB/256GB.
      - nottorp 2y ago
        Wait, are you talking about the systems with separate memory modules? I'm talking about these new things with ram integrated into the SoC...
        Dylan16807 2y ago
        > I'm talking about these new things with ram integrated into the SoC... But you were already told that this limit is just for this entry-level series of chips. You asked what other series of Intel chips supported more memory, and the answer is all of them. If your question was supposed to not be about other chips, then your question makes no sense to me. And if that's the case then why did you bring up Xeons and your previous box?
        nottorp 2y ago
        > this limit is just for this entry-level series of chips ... for now > then your question makes no sense to me It makes sense when you consider they will go ahead and add integrated ram in more SKUs in the future. Possibly all except the Xeons.