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my point is that stripping non-human entities of 1st amendment is effectively repealing the 1st amendment in the US, if it allows the government to regulate new

my point is that stripping non-human entities of 1st amendment is effectively repealing the 1st amendment in the US, if it allows the government to regulate newspapers/printmakers/movies based on political content. so your point is essentially that campaign finance trumps 1A, which might be true but i am not so sure

ethbr1 2y ago
> stripping non-human entities of 1st amendment is effectively repealing the 1st amendment in the US Human individuals would still have a right to speak whatever they feel. And arguably, I'd extend that onto platforms above a certain size that can verify human identity (ideally anonymized after verification). IMHO, newspapers/printmakers/movies do need to be regulated. They deserve rights, but those rights should look very different than individual 1st amendment right. Which seems reasonable -- nobody would ever confuse Alphabet-the-company with me-the-individual-person in terms of capability and capital.
- nradov 2y ago
  What a terrible idea. Giving government the power to regulate newspapers/printmakers/movies can't possibly produce better outcomes than what we have now. Preserving maximum freedom of expression is far more important than any election result.
  - ethbr1 2y ago
    > Preserving maximum freedom of expression is far more important than any election result. I guess that's where we disagree. To me, democracy starts from elections with equality of opportunity. Anything shy of that corrupts the very foundations, and we've been trending shyer for a long time. Is it any surprise we get increasingly concentrated wealth (world wars aside) with a set of policies that allow spending unlimited money to buy votes?
doron 2y ago
It's an interesting point. Whether non-human entities are entitled to 1st amendment rights. Since they have the potential longevity that far exceeds humans, and also can't be punished in same manner for potential wrongdoing (i.e. send an entire company or lobby) to prison.

ethbr1 2y ago

> stripping non-human entities of 1st amendment is effectively repealing the 1st amendment in the US Human individuals would still have a right to speak whatever they feel. And arguably, I'd extend that onto platforms above a certain size that can verify human identity (ideally anonymized after verification). IMHO, newspapers/printmakers/movies do need to be regulated. They deserve rights, but those rights should look very different than individual 1st amendment right. Which seems reasonable -- nobody would ever confuse Alphabet-the-company with me-the-individual-person in terms of capability and capital.

nradov 2y ago
What a terrible idea. Giving government the power to regulate newspapers/printmakers/movies can't possibly produce better outcomes than what we have now. Preserving maximum freedom of expression is far more important than any election result.
- ethbr1 2y ago
  > Preserving maximum freedom of expression is far more important than any election result. I guess that's where we disagree. To me, democracy starts from elections with equality of opportunity. Anything shy of that corrupts the very foundations, and we've been trending shyer for a long time. Is it any surprise we get increasingly concentrated wealth (world wars aside) with a set of policies that allow spending unlimited money to buy votes?

doron 2y ago

It's an interesting point. Whether non-human entities are entitled to 1st amendment rights. Since they have the potential longevity that far exceeds humans, and also can't be punished in same manner for potential wrongdoing (i.e. send an entire company or lobby) to prison.