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Pornography is damaging to society/to those that view it. https://news.byu.edu/intellect/pornography-use-at-any-level-harms-romantic-relationships-says-new-byu

Pornography is damaging to society/to those that view it. https://news.byu.edu/intellect/pornography-use-at-any-level-harms-romantic-relationships-says-new-byu-study https://news.byu.edu/intellect/pornography-use-at-any-level-... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9922938/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9922938/

pavel_lishin 2y ago
Any studies from non-religious sources?
- arandomusername 2y ago
  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6571756/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6571756/ https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/1874574 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/... https://extension.usu.edu/relationships/research/effects-of-pornography-on-relationships https://extension.usu.edu/relationships/research/effects-of-... https://www.sciencefocus.com/the-human-body/is-pornography-harmful https://www.sciencefocus.com/the-human-body/is-pornography-h... Also those only focus on the user. The pornography business itself is a lot more horrible as it's closely linked with sex trafficking.
- yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
  Is nih.gov a religious source, or was the comment edited after yours?
  - shagie 2y ago
    NIH hosts papers. It is not an authority by itself. The NIH paper is from the following authors: Haseeb Mehmood Qadri, corresponding author 1 Abdul Waheed,1 Ali Munawar,2 Hasan Saeed,3 Saad Abdullah,4 Tayyba Munawar,1 Shaheer Luqman,1 Junaid Saffi,1 Awais Ahmad,5 and Muhammad Saad Baba r6 1 Surgery, Lahore General Hospital, Lahore, PAK 2 Surgery, Shaikh Zayed Hospital, Lahore, PAK 3 Pathology, Allama Iqbal Medical College, Lahore, PAK 4 General Surgery, Allama Iqbal Medical College, Lahore, PAK 5 Surgery, Jinnah Hospital, Lahore, PAK 6 General Surgery, Lahore General Hospital, Lahore, PAK Pakistan may have a strongly religious influence on its faculty... and I'm going to ask what expertise surgeons have on the subject mater compared to the layman.
- talldatethrow 2y ago
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  - freedomben 2y ago
    You find it weird that different religions have different views on the morality or lack thereof? Christianity has a significant amount of stuff layered on top that differentiates it from pre-New Testament. Also plenty of Jewish people identify as atheists, so I'm not sure why their Jewishness would be meaningful to Christians when evaluating the morality of it.
antegamisou 2y ago
Man this being downvoted seconds after being posted speaks volumes about how ubiquitous porn sickness on a site supposed to satisfy iNtElLeCtUaL cUrIoSiTy So man cooomers ITT it's just sad.
- shagie 2y ago
  Citing BYU as a source is the issue as any other conclusion of a paper would run counter to the code of ethics for faculty there. https://policy.byu.edu/view/rank-and-status-policy https://policy.byu.edu/view/rank-and-status-policy > Expectations of Professorial and Professional Faculty > 2.1 Faculty Standards > BYU is a private university with unique goals and aspirations rooted in the mission of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It is a faculty member’s responsibility to contribute affirmatively to the full realization of human potential and to a university environment enlightened by living prophets and sustained by those moral virtues which characterize the life and teachings of the Son of God (see Mission Statement). Faculty members should also provide students an education that is spiritually strengthening, intellectually enlarging, and character building and that leads to lifelong learning and service (see Aims of a BYU Education). --- Do you have any secular citations?
  - arandomusername 2y ago
    It was one of the two sources I linked. I also linked more in another reply. Feel free to disregard byu, because plenty of other studies agree
    - freedomben 2y ago
      was the NIH link there at the beginning or did you edit it in? Either way is fine, but it would be good for you to disclose that as it has an impact on the downvotes and the other comments are received.
      - arandomusername 2y ago
        None of my comments are edited
thriftwy 2y ago
>. the research found that pornography use by men or women at any level negatively impacted romantic relationships What if you don't have any, and nowhere to get? What if you're 14 and realistically any serious romantic relations are many years in the future for you?
- arandomusername 2y ago
  Do you think a 14 year old should be regularly viewing porn? Is that really the argument you are trying to make?
  - thriftwy 2y ago
    A 14 years old me was regularly viewing porn, so by Kantian philosophy it is not wrong for me to suggest making it a general rule.
  - randomdata 2y ago
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    - arandomusername 2y ago
      14 year olds can date other 14 year olds, but it also damages their relationships in the future. Porn is an addiction that is damaging.
      - thriftwy 2y ago
        If you think that general dating is skewed against men, but also against older women; just watch that one of 14 year old boys. It is a minor miracle if you date at 14 years old. Just about everything is stacked against you. As a 39 years old I believe that this experience has irrepairably damaged my expectation of interactions. It's completely OK if you're content with not having any romantic life at 14! But what if you're not? WRT "damages their relationships in the future" - I can't imagine that, except by these superhuman types who are able to have relations at 14 not really feeling the need of having stable relationship when they in their prime, since they can JIT romantic life out of thin air. In any case, why would you owe anything to your future selves? They got all your stuff without lifting a finger, whereas they didn't lift that finger a bit to help you (since they're obviously in the future).
wkat4242 2y ago
Considering most of the world views it and society is fine, I think I can posit the contrary. And think of all those hippies from the 70s that would have sex parties in the park. They're all grown up now. Don't see them running around raping and murdering. Might run into them at the swinger club though :)
- arandomusername 2y ago
  Well, birth rates are below replacement rates in most western countries where pornography is consumed more than elsewhere. Also, more people are single, more men are not sexually active, high divorce rates, etc. Ofcourse, correlation does not imply causation. But personally I do think pornography contributes to some of the above in some ways.
  - shagie 2y ago
    https://www.healthdata.org/news-events/newsroom/news-releases/lancet-dramatic-declines-global-fertility-rates-set-transform https://www.healthdata.org/news-events/newsroom/news-release... Why are we limiting this to western countries? This is clearly a problem with (checks list) Bhutan, Maldives, Puerto Rico, Nepal, South Korea, Saint Lucia, Taiwan, Carbo Verde, Djibouti, and Bosnia. I'm missing the list of "most western countries" there in the most critical ones. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub-replacement_fertility#Causes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub-replacement_fertility#Caus... Is the reduction in fertility possibly more influenced by things like... https://www.statista.com/statistics/259518/birth-rate-among-us-teenagers/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/259518/birth-rate-among-... https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2019/08/02/why-is-the-teen-birth-rate-falling/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2019/08/02/why-is-th... Or https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2015/05/07/family-size-among-mothers/ https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2015/05/07/family-... > The more education a mother has, the fewer children she will have on average in her lifetime. While fertility drops somewhat with each additional level of education, the biggest fertility gap occurs between women who lack a high school diploma and those who have completed high school. > Moms ages 40 to 44 who lack a high school diploma have about 2.9 children in their lifetimes, on average, while those with a high school diploma or some college have about 2.4 kids. Mothers at the end of their childbearing years who have a bachelor’s degree or higher have about 2.2 children on average. Though I would certainly not say that one should be encouraging teenage pregnancy nor hindering the education of women in an attempt to boost the fertility rate. Blaming the declining fertility rate in western nations on pornography seems to miss the more obvious causes.

pavel_lishin 2y ago

Any studies from non-religious sources?

arandomusername 2y ago
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6571756/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6571756/ https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/1874574 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/... https://extension.usu.edu/relationships/research/effects-of-pornography-on-relationships https://extension.usu.edu/relationships/research/effects-of-... https://www.sciencefocus.com/the-human-body/is-pornography-harmful https://www.sciencefocus.com/the-human-body/is-pornography-h... Also those only focus on the user. The pornography business itself is a lot more horrible as it's closely linked with sex trafficking.
yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
Is nih.gov a religious source, or was the comment edited after yours?
- shagie 2y ago
  NIH hosts papers. It is not an authority by itself. The NIH paper is from the following authors: Haseeb Mehmood Qadri, corresponding author 1 Abdul Waheed,1 Ali Munawar,2 Hasan Saeed,3 Saad Abdullah,4 Tayyba Munawar,1 Shaheer Luqman,1 Junaid Saffi,1 Awais Ahmad,5 and Muhammad Saad Baba r6 1 Surgery, Lahore General Hospital, Lahore, PAK 2 Surgery, Shaikh Zayed Hospital, Lahore, PAK 3 Pathology, Allama Iqbal Medical College, Lahore, PAK 4 General Surgery, Allama Iqbal Medical College, Lahore, PAK 5 Surgery, Jinnah Hospital, Lahore, PAK 6 General Surgery, Lahore General Hospital, Lahore, PAK Pakistan may have a strongly religious influence on its faculty... and I'm going to ask what expertise surgeons have on the subject mater compared to the layman.
talldatethrow 2y ago
[flagged]
- freedomben 2y ago
  You find it weird that different religions have different views on the morality or lack thereof? Christianity has a significant amount of stuff layered on top that differentiates it from pre-New Testament. Also plenty of Jewish people identify as atheists, so I'm not sure why their Jewishness would be meaningful to Christians when evaluating the morality of it.

antegamisou 2y ago

Man this being downvoted seconds after being posted speaks volumes about how ubiquitous porn sickness on a site supposed to satisfy iNtElLeCtUaL cUrIoSiTy So man cooomers ITT it's just sad.

shagie 2y ago
Citing BYU as a source is the issue as any other conclusion of a paper would run counter to the code of ethics for faculty there. https://policy.byu.edu/view/rank-and-status-policy https://policy.byu.edu/view/rank-and-status-policy > Expectations of Professorial and Professional Faculty > 2.1 Faculty Standards > BYU is a private university with unique goals and aspirations rooted in the mission of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It is a faculty member’s responsibility to contribute affirmatively to the full realization of human potential and to a university environment enlightened by living prophets and sustained by those moral virtues which characterize the life and teachings of the Son of God (see Mission Statement). Faculty members should also provide students an education that is spiritually strengthening, intellectually enlarging, and character building and that leads to lifelong learning and service (see Aims of a BYU Education). --- Do you have any secular citations?
- arandomusername 2y ago
  It was one of the two sources I linked. I also linked more in another reply. Feel free to disregard byu, because plenty of other studies agree
  - freedomben 2y ago
    was the NIH link there at the beginning or did you edit it in? Either way is fine, but it would be good for you to disclose that as it has an impact on the downvotes and the other comments are received.
    - arandomusername 2y ago
      None of my comments are edited

thriftwy 2y ago

>. the research found that pornography use by men or women at any level negatively impacted romantic relationships What if you don't have any, and nowhere to get? What if you're 14 and realistically any serious romantic relations are many years in the future for you?

arandomusername 2y ago
Do you think a 14 year old should be regularly viewing porn? Is that really the argument you are trying to make?
- thriftwy 2y ago
  A 14 years old me was regularly viewing porn, so by Kantian philosophy it is not wrong for me to suggest making it a general rule.
- randomdata 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - arandomusername 2y ago
    14 year olds can date other 14 year olds, but it also damages their relationships in the future. Porn is an addiction that is damaging.
    - thriftwy 2y ago
      If you think that general dating is skewed against men, but also against older women; just watch that one of 14 year old boys. It is a minor miracle if you date at 14 years old. Just about everything is stacked against you. As a 39 years old I believe that this experience has irrepairably damaged my expectation of interactions. It's completely OK if you're content with not having any romantic life at 14! But what if you're not? WRT "damages their relationships in the future" - I can't imagine that, except by these superhuman types who are able to have relations at 14 not really feeling the need of having stable relationship when they in their prime, since they can JIT romantic life out of thin air. In any case, why would you owe anything to your future selves? They got all your stuff without lifting a finger, whereas they didn't lift that finger a bit to help you (since they're obviously in the future).

wkat4242 2y ago

Considering most of the world views it and society is fine, I think I can posit the contrary. And think of all those hippies from the 70s that would have sex parties in the park. They're all grown up now. Don't see them running around raping and murdering. Might run into them at the swinger club though :)

arandomusername 2y ago
Well, birth rates are below replacement rates in most western countries where pornography is consumed more than elsewhere. Also, more people are single, more men are not sexually active, high divorce rates, etc. Ofcourse, correlation does not imply causation. But personally I do think pornography contributes to some of the above in some ways.
- shagie 2y ago
  https://www.healthdata.org/news-events/newsroom/news-releases/lancet-dramatic-declines-global-fertility-rates-set-transform https://www.healthdata.org/news-events/newsroom/news-release... Why are we limiting this to western countries? This is clearly a problem with (checks list) Bhutan, Maldives, Puerto Rico, Nepal, South Korea, Saint Lucia, Taiwan, Carbo Verde, Djibouti, and Bosnia. I'm missing the list of "most western countries" there in the most critical ones. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub-replacement_fertility#Causes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub-replacement_fertility#Caus... Is the reduction in fertility possibly more influenced by things like... https://www.statista.com/statistics/259518/birth-rate-among-us-teenagers/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/259518/birth-rate-among-... https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2019/08/02/why-is-the-teen-birth-rate-falling/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2019/08/02/why-is-th... Or https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2015/05/07/family-size-among-mothers/ https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2015/05/07/family-... > The more education a mother has, the fewer children she will have on average in her lifetime. While fertility drops somewhat with each additional level of education, the biggest fertility gap occurs between women who lack a high school diploma and those who have completed high school. > Moms ages 40 to 44 who lack a high school diploma have about 2.9 children in their lifetimes, on average, while those with a high school diploma or some college have about 2.4 kids. Mothers at the end of their childbearing years who have a bachelor’s degree or higher have about 2.2 children on average. Though I would certainly not say that one should be encouraging teenage pregnancy nor hindering the education of women in an attempt to boost the fertility rate. Blaming the declining fertility rate in western nations on pornography seems to miss the more obvious causes.