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Twitch removes every member of its Safety Advisory Council
- keploy 2y agoWhat could go wrong?
- zer00eyz 2y agoSomeone could see a boob, or heaven forbid get offended.
- artninja1988 2y agoIt seems like you haven't been on twitch for a while. The IRL section seems like a funnel for only fans for the model part
- nubinetwork 2y agoTwitch seems quite content with being a front for onlyfans. They recently started blurring stream thumbnails, and have never cared about linktree/etc links despite them being used as a "hide it under the carpet" for onlyfans as well. (Direct links bad, a link to a link is okay though?) They may as well stop pretending and fully allow adult content, because it's pretty obvious that these streamers will keep pushing the limits until they get permabanned or twitch gives in to the "women streamers did nothing wrong" crowd.
- vsnf 2y agoHonestly, why not. That would allow them to get more aggressive with enforcement for untagged streams, allow them to keep the obviously impression generating engine of the "Just Chatting" OnlyFans crowd, and maybe even with the weight of Amazon behind them, force the credit processors to lighten up a bit. Or it would be nice if they could, anyway. In reality with the age verification laws popping up in more places, they probably want to stay far away from the impending bureaucratic and legal nightmare.
- nubinetwork 2y ago> In reality with the age verification laws popping up in more places, they probably want to stay far away from the impending bureaucratic and legal nightmare. One could argue they are already there, putting an unblur button on streams is basically the same as an "I'm over 18" button on adult sites. No verification, no auditing, the button does nothing but make it look like they care.
- cqqxo4zV46cp 2y ago“Allowing adult content” is easier said than done for any organisation. This is incredibly common knowledge at this point. For example, orgs dealing with adult content need to work a little bit differently. Some employees may just be personally uncomfortable with being around “big titty goth gfs” all day every day, and their job might change to require it. Internal HR disputes can also become more complicated, as lines of appropriate behaviour can ever so slightly blur. I’m sure there are a hundred other things that I haven’t thought of. The part that’s common knowledge is that payment processing becomes orders of magnitude more precarious and complicated. Anyone who was paying attention to this area remembers what happened to OnlyFans itself recently, where they were running out of ways to make payments work. This is all ignoring what Twitch would be giving up by embracing this. What’d be the impact of the negative optics when it comes to parents? Do they stop letting their kids on Twitch? How important is that to their bottom line? What about the consoles / platforms that have a Twitch integration? Is that now seen as an endorsement of or gateway to adult content that the platform owners didn’t sign up for? Even if Twitch were actually able to pull that off, there’s a whole lot on the line, and certainly market segments that they know that they’d be saying goodbye to.
- mariusor 2y agoThey only need to incorporate a separate entity that deals with the adult content, which then has to deal with the legal side of the problem and reap in the (probably) considerable rewards.
- selivanovp 2y agoAllowing adult content will move them to a state wide ban list in many countries.
- mariusor 2y agoFrankly I don't understand why all the naughty streams don't get moved to a sibling platform, call it Twitch Red that only deals with those. They can share 95% of legal and operational costs, but it has the benefit that it isolates the game streaming platform for any questionable content that might raise the eyebrow of sensitive jurisdictions and advertisers. There must be something obvious I'm missing otherwise this is a very large missed opportunity.
- danaris 2y agoIn part, I would guess, because if they did that, there would be a much higher likelihood that payment processors would decide to blacklist the Red version of the service—something they can't really do with just the adult streams on Twitch as it stands. I would further guess that this would only be one aspect of the broader marginalization of the Red version of the service—they wouldn't be promoting it openly on the main Twitch, because that would antagonize the "think-of-the-children" types, and it would no longer benefit from cross-recommendations and from people watching a Call of Duty stream until 11PM, and then noticing in the sidebar that their favorite adult streamer has come online and switching over to them. They would probably even suffer from the one quasi-legitimate excuse the payment processors have for banning adult sites: much higher rates of chargebacks, as people with overly judgmental and insufficiently communicative significant others try to hide them on their credit card statements (or any of a bunch of other reasons). It would be great if we could collectively treat sex work as work, just like any other form of selling our bodies and minds to support ourselves—and, indeed, for the time being that is effectively what Twitch is doing, and in doing so benefits both themselves and these streamers, who otherwise would have to use more stigmatized platforms with much less reach.
- mrweasel 2y agoNot that I use Twitch much anymore, nor am I really bothered by see a random boob or dick every once in a while. What does annoy me is that the OnlyFans "models" see every other platform as means to push their OnlyFans subscriptions. How the hell are the so much money flying around that it can finance that many OnlyFans creators? We can't funding for ad free search, video stream or software development, but we have millions of men and women doing OnlyFans... I don't get it.
- probably_wrong 2y ago> How the hell are the so much money flying around that it can finance that many OnlyFans creators? I'm willing to bet that 60% of OF creators, after accounting for the required equipment, are not making money. I'd also bet that at least 20% of those making money are from a country where $150 a month is a whole salary. And then there's the question of how many of them are being trafficked.
- SXX 2y agoThe Internet Is for Porn. People are hypocritical. There are a lot of religion fanatics, prude morality fighters and others activists fighting against "sins". But in the end of day they all come home and watch porn. And many pay for it directly or indirectly. And markets with most prude societies are usually ones with highest porn consumption. Humanity.
- nubinetwork 2y agoThere is a time and place for everything, I don't go to PH for gaming or programming content, and I don't think it's wrong to ask for the opposite.
- SXX 2y agoPoster above wondered where are money coming from and this was the answer. There are people who pay to webcam models on Twitch and this is the reason why Amazon allow it to happen. Money. Anyway I feel like power users are just more likely affected here and see soft porn on Twitch more often. To be honest I only ocasionally use Twitch, but last month I've been watching Trackmania there a lot. Like every day for several hours at least. And know what? I dont see any NSFW stuff whatsoever because I only watch few top streamers playing certain game. There simply no need to ever go to twitch frontpage or look at boobs. PS: As gamer I would really appreciate to just have NSFW toggle so everyone can watch whatever they want.
- raizer88 2y agoI never understood why Twitch doesn't add a morality clause to prevent streamer to be adult content creator. It would instantly solve the problem.
- rainonmoon 2y agoWhat problem is that? Why should other people's jobs forbid them from using a platform as long as they follow that platform's T&C's?
- raizer88 2y agoBecause 99.9% of twitch problems, and bad press, from the last few years are focused on people using Twitch as an onlyfan funnel. I would cut them out asap.
- rainonmoon 2y agoThat just doesn't seem demonstrably true but I'd love to see some citations. My recollection is that Twitch's biggest issues have been regarding gambling and high-profile bans for misconduct e.g. DrDisrespect or nudity from streamers who don't even have OnlyFans accounts.
- SXX 2y agoMight be also morality clause for those playing CS for terrorists too. /s
- Hamuko 2y agoBut if people see boobs, aren't Visa and MasterCard going to get offended?
- demondemidi 2y agoOr be harassed. But that doesn’t matter when you’re in the majority, right?
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- worthless-trash 2y agoThanks, this is something that I believe too. You rarely 'solve' an issue by making it hidden. At least in the open, you can see the danger.
- threeseed 2y agoThis is simply not true. When you tolerate things such as child pornography, doxxing etc it makes the practice appear sanctioned and encourages others to join in. We saw this quite clearly with Reddit and Twitter.
- zer00eyz 2y agoSomeone dressing up as a nazi and speaking isnt an actual crime. Bringing in actual crimes is false equivalence. So yes those things should have consequences. We have jury trials for a reason. Take the content down, send to the police and court. IF it isn't a crime then reinstate the user.
- viraptor 2y agoIt's not an equivalence, but it's not unrelated given the number of people who committed actual crimes and were found to be very much involved in Nazi groups online. This just comes up again and again.
- worthless-trash 2y agoAt what point did i say tolerate ?
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- refulgentis 2y agoAnti-bullying is "DEI humanities" now? DEI humanities is a single noun? The Woke Right is ruining my comments sections.
- cqqxo4zV46cp 2y agoIt’s about ethics in video game streaming. /s
- labster 2y agoDon’t feed the trolls, especially trolls with random string new accounts. Just downvote and move on with your day.
- refulgentis 2y agoBelieve it or not, this was the top comment and I was at -1 for a half hour. I like to think my gentle, humorous, highlighting of the surreality may have motivated fellow posters to notice it was a bit loose with the facts. (I've been working at this for a year or two, it's a tightrope)
- stale2002 2y agoFor those who are not aware, the safety council was not the trust and safety team that handles bans. Instead, this was a small group of livestreamers and community representatives that meet once a month or so, and give their personal opinion on proposed changes that Twitch brings to them. It was glorified user research.
- tivert 2y ago> It was glorified user research. It doesn't sound like it was just that: > The Safety Advisory Council's members include Dr. Sameer Hinduja, co-director of the Cyber Bullying Research Center, and Dr. T.L. Taylor, the co-founder and director of AnyKey, an organization that advocates for inclusion and diversity in video games and esports. There's also Emma Llansó, the director of the Free Expression Project for the Center for Democracy and Technology.
- Ekaros 2y agoSounds to me like extensive bribing problem. These are exactly type of of people who use bad PR as as tool for their totalitarian worldviews.
- nozzlegear 2y agoAnd you’re basing that just on their names, or do you have something to back that assertion up?
- ranger_danger 2y agoSounds like they're replacing paid positions with volunteers?
- bun_terminator 2y agoGood. They're leeches. It's time for an anti-leech era
- threeseed 2y agoSafe platforms strongly correlate with successful platforms. So it's actually the opposite of leeching.
- suddenclarity 2y agoWhat is safe and in what way does the Safety Advisory Council improve it? The group that created a very toxic environment around Twitch when it included a political activist identifying as a deer (!) that threatened to silence everyone.
- bun_terminator 2y agoThis is being faded, but I want to double-down: This is true, they're really that crazy.
- k8sToGo 2y agoAre you talking about the counsil or twitch?
- bun_terminator 2y agoThe "counsil". A bunch of mOdErAtOrs not doing real work, inserting themselves in a position of almost ultimate power by riding a wave they themselves manufactured.
- bitwize 2y agoSo the deer girl no longer has power?
- pixxel 2y agoTransfixed by oncoming headlights, it stepped out in front of an Amazon delivery truck.
- pm90 2y ago> The outgoing members were paid between $10,000 and $20,000 a year, CNBC says. How can this be a cost saving measure? Thats a pittance for amazon.
- viraptor 2y agoTwitch is losing money. Now it's losing less. (I'm not saying it makes sense or will make a dent or anything else, just putting the fact out there - twitch has limited time to figure out how to make things work)
- nubinetwork 2y agoIf twitch cared about money, they could easily stop providing storage and bandwidth for all the South American and Russian channels streaming pirated movies and TV 24/7.
- k8sToGo 2y agoI highly doubt that either are really making a dent in costs.
- nubinetwork 2y agoRunning a CDN for ingest, and a CDN for viewing streams and VODs isn't cheap. Twitch still pays Amazon to run their equipment.
- olsonjeffery 2y ago“just putting the facts out there” while stating a truism devoid of context is not a constructive contribution. You make no comments on the impact of this choice beyond the nominal cost savings. Or does your lack of comment signal your perspective? What even is your point?
- viraptor 2y agoThat it doesn't matter that the saving is trivial. I think it's a signal of one of two things: Either they want a popular committee dependent on their income and easy to manipulate. Or we're to see lots of savings at any cost at any opportunity. That's what I meant by "losing less" - not a truism, but a beginning of doing anything and everything to reach breakeven. And lots of it will be stupid and not make a difference apart from making things just a bit worse.
- _giorgio_ 2y agoThese safety and alignment councils are just positions for losers and leeches. They live on the back of programmers without doing any work at all. They have a different background and they want to live at the expenses of others, just to say that they work in AI.
- AndyMcConachie 2y agoThe replaced indepdent advice with people that Amazon can more easily control. That's all this.
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- indigo0086 2y agoFake jobs go back to non-existence