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I'm reminded of this quote: >Some people are so poor, all they have is money. Once you reach a certain level of wealth, I suspect relationships are more impor

I'm reminded of this quote: >Some people are so poor, all they have is money. Once you reach a certain level of wealth, I suspect relationships are more important for happiness than accumulating even more. If there was a button you could push that would give you $10M, but also cause many thousands of people to constantly express their hatred for you online, would you push it? Would the average person choose to push it? How would it change their expected happiness? A great thing about a pseudonym is if I don't like how an argument is going, I can just disengage and pretend it doesn't exist. Internet discussions are like sand on the beach. Pick some up, let it run through your fingers. There's nothing special about that fistful. I wouldn't like the dilemma of either choosing to have a backbone, and being in constant confrontation, or choosing to disengage and ceding the frame of the discussion to someone else. With a pseudonym you're more free to be wrong or just stop caring.

delichon 2y ago
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xboxnolifes 2y ago
> If there was a button you could push that would give you $10M, but also cause many thousands of people to constantly express their hatred for you online, would you push it? Would the average person choose to push it? How would it change their expected happiness? I see the point, but you'd need to change that "many thousands" to more like "many tens/hundreds of millions" for it to be deterring (assuming these people are randomly picked, and not all people you'd "want" to have relationships with).
- 0xDEAFBEAD 2y ago
  I think it depends on the person's psychology. You might have a thicker skin than average. https://nitter.poast.org/etirabys/status/1796301364903207171#m https://nitter.poast.org/etirabys/status/1796301364903207171...
  - xboxnolifes 2y ago
    It's not about thick skin here. With only a few thousand random people talking bad about you, there is a significant chance that you and your potential relationships will never see a single message from them. Getting into the millions is talking about thick skin, but thousands is just free money. The original post didn't specify direct messages or other mechanisms that you would be notified about the messages. Just that people are talking about you on the internet.
    - 0xDEAFBEAD 2y ago
      >The original post didn't specify direct messages or other mechanisms that you would be notified about the messages. Just that people are talking about you on the internet. It didn't specify a lack of DMs either. What sort of things do haters typically like to do? Note that I wrote the original comment. I was thinking along the lines of people writing hateful replies to your social media content and @mentioning you.
      - xboxnolifes 2y ago
        Fair enough. At least in my case it would be an easy decision, as my social media usage stops at hackernews. Or even if I did use something like twitter, I'd just make a new account. How would they know the new account is me? Though, not all haters go directly after people. I'd even say those are in the minority. Most congregate to one another and form some bond over the shared dislike of said person/thing. Maybe start a subreddit, parody twitter account, or the like. Some just post complaints about the person without ever @mentioning them. I'm positive not every Elon Musk complaint tweet on twitter directly @mentions him.
- Jensson 2y ago
  A thousand people constantly mentioning online how they hate you would ruin most of your chances at establishing new relationships as well, people just have to make a single google search to see everyone hating you and that will put them off getting to know you deeper. You would be unable to get a job, unable to get investors, unable to find a nice girlfriend etc, you could find a gold digger though. Note that unlike Trump and Musk etc you wouldn't have thousands of people that spouts praise about you in addition to all those haters, just the haters.
  - probably_wrong 2y ago
    I think this depends on your bubble. I just typed "Colleen Hoover" (the writer in the article) and the worst I saw in my search results was someone saying she read all of her books and they suck. Sure, maybe the BookTok bubble hates her, but you have to be pretty deep into it. I also typed for comparison the names of several infamous developers, and the only one who would raise an eyebrow among non-tech people is the one who was convicted of murder. > You would be unable to get a job, unable to get investors, unable to find a nice girlfriend If I have $10M I don't need the first two, and being rich opens my dating pool to dating other equally-rich people in similar situations.
  - krisoft 2y ago
    > You would be unable to get a job, unable to get investors, unable to find a nice girlfriend etc Idk. The whole thing is a pretty contrived. If the haters have some real issue they can point to then maybe. But otherwise you find someone who looks at you and not the hate spewed and you are groovy. Also how intense hatered we are talking about? Like "sneaks through your window while you are asleep and stabs you, then goes to prison smiling" level of hate? Even a few of that caliber is pretty life changing. Or more like the "writes mean things in the comment section when your name or face comes up" kind of hater? Because having a few thousand of those is just usual influencer situation.
  - germinalphrase 2y ago
    “A thousand people constantly mentioning online how they hate you would ruin most of your chances at establishing new relationships as well, people just have to make a single google search to see everyone hating you and that will put them off getting to know you deeper” Is googling people after you meet them extremely common? I’m not sure that I’ve ever done so in my life, and the stakes that you raise feel wildly disproportionate.
suslik 2y ago
If the online hate doesn't translate into physical violence and security threats - than, at least for me, the answer is a simple 'yes'. I would be surprised to find out if it isn't the case for but a statistically small sample of the population.
HenryBemis 2y ago
> If there was a button you could push that would give you $10M, but also cause many thousands of people to constantly express their hatred for you online, would you push it? Would the average person choose to push it? How would it change their expected happiness? Bring that button over here and let me press it 10 times. I know I haven't hurt anyone physically (i.e. don't give me 10m but 100 people get cancer - I don't want that!). $10m will buy be a nice small house somewhere remotely (200k-300k), I will stop working, I will spend my life reading books.. let's say $2k-$3k per year (I will also buy a couple expensive ones each year)(hey after all my name IS Henry Bemis!! look it up!). Food-drink-travel.. let's say another $30k-$40k per year. Gun & ammo & permit.. I have no idea how much they cost, but let's add 5k for all. A Honda Accord (or similar inexpensive forever-car) $5k? $10k? I'm not young.. so by the time I die there will be many millions to spare as well (charity, donations, inheritance, etc.) Bring that button forward and see you never again :)
- Ekaros 2y ago
  2% of 10 million is 200k... Seems like reasonable enough sum of money each year to ignore some hate. Or just keep your life private.
verticalscaler 2y ago
I would push it for $1.
auggierose 2y ago
Who cares what online people think about you? I surely don't. Gimme them $10M! It is an interesting demonstration of how younger people think these days. I guess you are at most 25?
- Drakim 2y ago
  I'd take the $10m, but I'm part of several hobbyist communities online and having all those people who share my passions all hate my guts would suck.
  - cxr 2y ago
    That's not the hypothetical presented.
- 0xDEAFBEAD 2y ago
  I'm early 30s actually. I think I would probably take the money myself, not 100% sure though. Your sentiment seems common in this thread, but it doesn't square well with how worked up people seem to get with online beefs in practice, and how hard people seem to work in order to avoid getting downvoted (cc subreddit echochambers on reddit). I suspect in theory people don't care what others think, in practice things are a little different.
  - auggierose 2y ago
    I never understood reddit, I find it confusing and weird. Sometimes I use it to find streaming sites.
Zambyte 2y ago
> also cause many thousands of people to constantly express their hatred for you online, would you push it? Absolutely, 100%. If you modified this to be people face to face or people I already know and love, definitely not.

delichon 2y ago

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xboxnolifes 2y ago

0xDEAFBEAD 2y ago
I think it depends on the person's psychology. You might have a thicker skin than average. https://nitter.poast.org/etirabys/status/1796301364903207171#m https://nitter.poast.org/etirabys/status/1796301364903207171...
- xboxnolifes 2y ago
  It's not about thick skin here. With only a few thousand random people talking bad about you, there is a significant chance that you and your potential relationships will never see a single message from them. Getting into the millions is talking about thick skin, but thousands is just free money. The original post didn't specify direct messages or other mechanisms that you would be notified about the messages. Just that people are talking about you on the internet.
  - 0xDEAFBEAD 2y ago
    >The original post didn't specify direct messages or other mechanisms that you would be notified about the messages. Just that people are talking about you on the internet. It didn't specify a lack of DMs either. What sort of things do haters typically like to do? Note that I wrote the original comment. I was thinking along the lines of people writing hateful replies to your social media content and @mentioning you.
    - xboxnolifes 2y ago
      Fair enough. At least in my case it would be an easy decision, as my social media usage stops at hackernews. Or even if I did use something like twitter, I'd just make a new account. How would they know the new account is me? Though, not all haters go directly after people. I'd even say those are in the minority. Most congregate to one another and form some bond over the shared dislike of said person/thing. Maybe start a subreddit, parody twitter account, or the like. Some just post complaints about the person without ever @mentioning them. I'm positive not every Elon Musk complaint tweet on twitter directly @mentions him.
Jensson 2y ago
A thousand people constantly mentioning online how they hate you would ruin most of your chances at establishing new relationships as well, people just have to make a single google search to see everyone hating you and that will put them off getting to know you deeper. You would be unable to get a job, unable to get investors, unable to find a nice girlfriend etc, you could find a gold digger though. Note that unlike Trump and Musk etc you wouldn't have thousands of people that spouts praise about you in addition to all those haters, just the haters.
- probably_wrong 2y ago
  I think this depends on your bubble. I just typed "Colleen Hoover" (the writer in the article) and the worst I saw in my search results was someone saying she read all of her books and they suck. Sure, maybe the BookTok bubble hates her, but you have to be pretty deep into it. I also typed for comparison the names of several infamous developers, and the only one who would raise an eyebrow among non-tech people is the one who was convicted of murder. > You would be unable to get a job, unable to get investors, unable to find a nice girlfriend If I have $10M I don't need the first two, and being rich opens my dating pool to dating other equally-rich people in similar situations.
- krisoft 2y ago
  > You would be unable to get a job, unable to get investors, unable to find a nice girlfriend etc Idk. The whole thing is a pretty contrived. If the haters have some real issue they can point to then maybe. But otherwise you find someone who looks at you and not the hate spewed and you are groovy. Also how intense hatered we are talking about? Like "sneaks through your window while you are asleep and stabs you, then goes to prison smiling" level of hate? Even a few of that caliber is pretty life changing. Or more like the "writes mean things in the comment section when your name or face comes up" kind of hater? Because having a few thousand of those is just usual influencer situation.
- germinalphrase 2y ago
  “A thousand people constantly mentioning online how they hate you would ruin most of your chances at establishing new relationships as well, people just have to make a single google search to see everyone hating you and that will put them off getting to know you deeper” Is googling people after you meet them extremely common? I’m not sure that I’ve ever done so in my life, and the stakes that you raise feel wildly disproportionate.

suslik 2y ago

If the online hate doesn't translate into physical violence and security threats - than, at least for me, the answer is a simple 'yes'. I would be surprised to find out if it isn't the case for but a statistically small sample of the population.

HenryBemis 2y ago

> If there was a button you could push that would give you $10M, but also cause many thousands of people to constantly express their hatred for you online, would you push it? Would the average person choose to push it? How would it change their expected happiness? Bring that button over here and let me press it 10 times. I know I haven't hurt anyone physically (i.e. don't give me 10m but 100 people get cancer - I don't want that!). $10m will buy be a nice small house somewhere remotely (200k-300k), I will stop working, I will spend my life reading books.. let's say $2k-$3k per year (I will also buy a couple expensive ones each year)(hey after all my name IS Henry Bemis!! look it up!). Food-drink-travel.. let's say another $30k-$40k per year. Gun & ammo & permit.. I have no idea how much they cost, but let's add 5k for all. A Honda Accord (or similar inexpensive forever-car) $5k? $10k? I'm not young.. so by the time I die there will be many millions to spare as well (charity, donations, inheritance, etc.) Bring that button forward and see you never again :)

Ekaros 2y ago
2% of 10 million is 200k... Seems like reasonable enough sum of money each year to ignore some hate. Or just keep your life private.

verticalscaler 2y ago

I would push it for $1.

auggierose 2y ago

Who cares what online people think about you? I surely don't. Gimme them $10M! It is an interesting demonstration of how younger people think these days. I guess you are at most 25?

Drakim 2y ago
I'd take the $10m, but I'm part of several hobbyist communities online and having all those people who share my passions all hate my guts would suck.
- cxr 2y ago
  That's not the hypothetical presented.
0xDEAFBEAD 2y ago
I'm early 30s actually. I think I would probably take the money myself, not 100% sure though. Your sentiment seems common in this thread, but it doesn't square well with how worked up people seem to get with online beefs in practice, and how hard people seem to work in order to avoid getting downvoted (cc subreddit echochambers on reddit). I suspect in theory people don't care what others think, in practice things are a little different.
- auggierose 2y ago
  I never understood reddit, I find it confusing and weird. Sometimes I use it to find streaming sites.

Zambyte 2y ago

> also cause many thousands of people to constantly express their hatred for you online, would you push it? Absolutely, 100%. If you modified this to be people face to face or people I already know and love, definitely not.