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This proposal is coming from the EU council, which has nothing to do with this election (it is made up of PMs or Presidents of the EU countries). The EU electi

This proposal is coming from the EU council, which has nothing to do with this election (it is made up of PMs or Presidents of the EU countries). The EU election is important though to ensure that the EU Parliament doesn't enact such a horrid proposal into law.

hcfman 2y ago
Who should we vote for then? That’s very hard to decide without a lot of research. I would say the pirate party is a safe bet. But if there are multiple candidates you need to be sure your vote goes to a strong candidate to increase your chances of success. But just figuring out who this might be is already hard. Then of course there’s the non-democratic structure of the union itself where the non voted commission decide the laws.
- tsimionescu 2y ago
  It varies from country to country who you can vote for to oppose such legislation. You need to investigate your local representatives. Also, the Commission only proposes legislation, it doesn't enact it. Only the EU Parliament can enact legislation. The comission is similar to the Government of most democratic countries, also in the fact that it's not directly democratically elected. However, you still have plenty of democratic control over it, just not in EU specific elections, but in your own country's elections. Edit: mistook the Council for the Commission. Corrected in line.
- isodev 2y ago
  This is not reality TV, it's important that you cast a vote aligned with your views, not who is most likely to win or loose. If you're unsure which party represents your views, you can use tools like https://euandi.eu/ https://euandi.eu/ The EU structure is democratic, you can see a summary of each body and how its formed at https://european-union.europa.eu/institutions-law-budget/leadership/elections-and-appointments_en https://european-union.europa.eu/institutions-law-budget/lea...
isodev 2y ago
Parliament's involvement depends on the policy area and may imply (a) being consulted, (b) giving consent or (c) co-legislating on an equal footing with the Council (ordinary legislative procedure). In case of "chat control" (actually called CSAR or COM/2022/209), we are in case c) - it was Parliament rejecting big parts of the proposal [0]. The OP refers to a document discussed during ST 9093 2024 INIT, it's part of the same package of legislation priorities (2022/0155(COD)) and it's currently awaiting the opinion of Parliament [1]. I know these make for very click-baity titles, but this is the moment when one can follow the feed and publications of their MEPs and contact them when one doesn't agree with some of their positions. Logs of all meetings are available online. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_to_Prevent_and_Combat_Child_Sexual_Abuse#Legislative_process https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_to_Prevent_and_Comb... [1] https://oeil.secure.europarl.europa.eu/oeil/popups/ficheprocedure.do?reference=2022/0155(COD) https://oeil.secure.europarl.europa.eu/oeil/popups/ficheproc...
mike_hearn 2y ago
It originally comes from the Commission, not the council: https://fortune.com/europe/2023/10/26/eu-chat-control-csam-encryption-privacy-european-commission-parliament-johansson-breyer-zarzalejos-ernst/ https://fortune.com/europe/2023/10/26/eu-chat-control-csam-e... Back in May last year, the European Commission proposed what security maven Matthew Green described as “the most terrifying thing I’ve ever seen”—a law that would force everyone from Facebook to Signal to scan everyone’s messages

hcfman 2y ago

Who should we vote for then? That’s very hard to decide without a lot of research. I would say the pirate party is a safe bet. But if there are multiple candidates you need to be sure your vote goes to a strong candidate to increase your chances of success. But just figuring out who this might be is already hard. Then of course there’s the non-democratic structure of the union itself where the non voted commission decide the laws.

tsimionescu 2y ago
It varies from country to country who you can vote for to oppose such legislation. You need to investigate your local representatives. Also, the Commission only proposes legislation, it doesn't enact it. Only the EU Parliament can enact legislation. The comission is similar to the Government of most democratic countries, also in the fact that it's not directly democratically elected. However, you still have plenty of democratic control over it, just not in EU specific elections, but in your own country's elections. Edit: mistook the Council for the Commission. Corrected in line.
isodev 2y ago
This is not reality TV, it's important that you cast a vote aligned with your views, not who is most likely to win or loose. If you're unsure which party represents your views, you can use tools like https://euandi.eu/ https://euandi.eu/ The EU structure is democratic, you can see a summary of each body and how its formed at https://european-union.europa.eu/institutions-law-budget/leadership/elections-and-appointments_en https://european-union.europa.eu/institutions-law-budget/lea...

isodev 2y ago

Parliament's involvement depends on the policy area and may imply (a) being consulted, (b) giving consent or (c) co-legislating on an equal footing with the Council (ordinary legislative procedure). In case of "chat control" (actually called CSAR or COM/2022/209), we are in case c) - it was Parliament rejecting big parts of the proposal [0]. The OP refers to a document discussed during ST 9093 2024 INIT, it's part of the same package of legislation priorities (2022/0155(COD)) and it's currently awaiting the opinion of Parliament [1]. I know these make for very click-baity titles, but this is the moment when one can follow the feed and publications of their MEPs and contact them when one doesn't agree with some of their positions. Logs of all meetings are available online. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_to_Prevent_and_Combat_Child_Sexual_Abuse#Legislative_process https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_to_Prevent_and_Comb... [1] https://oeil.secure.europarl.europa.eu/oeil/popups/ficheprocedure.do?reference=2022/0155(COD) https://oeil.secure.europarl.europa.eu/oeil/popups/ficheproc...

mike_hearn 2y ago

It originally comes from the Commission, not the council: https://fortune.com/europe/2023/10/26/eu-chat-control-csam-encryption-privacy-european-commission-parliament-johansson-breyer-zarzalejos-ernst/ https://fortune.com/europe/2023/10/26/eu-chat-control-csam-e... Back in May last year, the European Commission proposed what security maven Matthew Green described as “the most terrifying thing I’ve ever seen”—a law that would force everyone from Facebook to Signal to scan everyone’s messages