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You should consider experiencing living in places with good non-automobile transportation. a few off the top of my head. Amsterdam, Berlin, Paris, Barcelona, To
by nox101 2y ago
You should consider experiencing living in places with good non-automobile transportation. a few off the top of my head. Amsterdam, Berlin, Paris, Barcelona, Tokyo, Kyoto, Osaka, Seoul, Singapore, Taipei, London
Poor people in these cities don’t feel disadvantaged for not having a car. I fact most people in these cities don’t have a car regardless of income level
lived with a car in California for 20yrs, Lived without in some of those other cities for 15. without was way better. When I really needed a vehicle to carry something I could get a taxi.
Trains are slow when poorly designed. good train systems have multiple levels of express trains.
- dmix 2y agodont poor people in Paris live on the edges of the city far away from the good jobs downtown and are closer to the highways? I don't know much about European cities but maybe it's easier to build housing there than it is here because that's always the main issue in north america. The only reason people live in the suburbs where everyone is forced to drive is because a) housing it cheaper and b) its safer (most EU cities probably dont have anywhere near the crime levels of the US) c) its easier to raise kids because decent schools dont have waiting lists and basic stuff like grocery stores are cheaper I know it's a meme on Reddit but people living outside metropolitian areas aren't there simply because they are pro-car.
- stouset 2y agoI know it’s hard to imagine if America is all you know, but there are other alternatives than endless suburbia.
- dmix 2y agoyes but local government regulation prevents it, zoning and other overt policies manufactured suburbia, not supply and demand, while NIBMYism kills any possible development in urban areas or suburbs on the edges of cities https://www.researchgate.net/publication/265710941_Zoned_Out_Regulation_Markets_and_Choices_in_Transportation_and_Metropolitan_Land_Use_review https://www.researchgate.net/publication/265710941_Zoned_Out... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNDgcjVGHIw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNDgcjVGHIw
- joe_the_user 2y agoThe poor in Paris indeed live far from the center. These suburbs are dreary like most but the French public transit system is good enough that getting to the center areas from many suburb is still relatively quick.
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- bluejekyll 2y agoHow are you quantifying “it’s safer”? The evidence doesn’t generally support this statement. What calculation are you using to suggest that?
- kortilla 2y agoPoor people don’t get to live in those cities where the transportation is good (at least none of those European examples).
- jskrablin 2y agoI don't want to live in a city. It's noisy, polluted, crowded and I really like my small countryside house with plenty of land around it. Lived in a city for 20 years, got fed up with it, despite all of the alleged 'advantages' it offers. I guess I don't deserve decent infrastructure in your world view?
- stouset 2y agoIf you’re willing to split the cost with ten people rather than ten thousand, have at.
- nox101 2y agoNo, you don’t. plain and simple. Tons of people living together share the costs. the few in the suburbs need to pay for their own infra. They’re not now. The cities are subsidizing the suburbs. that’s not fair. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nw6qyyrTeI https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nw6qyyrTeI
- Dalewyn 2y agoYour sentiment can be summarized as "Fuck you, I got mine." Hardly convincing. As an aside, the countryside can survive without cities but cities cannot survive without the countryside. Perhaps consider your dependences before brazenly brushing them off.
- Larrikin 2y agoThere's absolutely no way farmers can be more than subsistence farmers without selling to the masses in the city. Country farmers like to pretend they enjoy living off the land but outside of what they actually sell to make money, they would be losing same amenities as the city that they are not willing to give up.
- nox101 2y agono, my sentiment is you’re stealing from me and not even aware of it. you’re taking more than your portion. Cities need farms (a few people and a few roads) they don’t need suburbs (people wasting resources, living large, and stealing tax resources from the cities to subsidize their lifestyle)
- diob 2y agoYep, I'm looking to move to one of those places rather than argue with USA folks about how they don't work.