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No topping is good in theory but it won't stick. Restaurants have tried it and no one is happy with it. Customers get higher prices. Many employees feel they ca

No topping is good in theory but it won't stick. Restaurants have tried it and no one is happy with it. Customers get higher prices. Many employees feel they can make more money with tips and employers have to pay higher salaries. What's becoming a problem is that many businesses that weren't tip-related are suddenly requesting tips for service. Those are the ones that people should not tip. There's no need to expand the number of services that need to be tipped.

nikau 2y ago
> Customers get higher prices Well not if you factor in not having to pay a tip.
- deleted 2y ago
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whycome 2y ago
> What's becoming a problem is that many businesses that weren't tip-related are suddenly requesting tips for service. Who gets to decide? I think the only absurd thing is making it a percentage of the cost. Why do I tip someone more for doing the same job because my meal/service is more expensive?
- beezle 2y ago
  Ask your real estate agent that question too
  - whycome 2y ago
    Right?! Isn’t there a current lawsuit looking to change the absurd practice of commissions for house sales as they currently stand?
- akira2501 2y ago
  It's often not the same job behind the scenes. Your more expensive meal typically requires more effort to prepare. The other function of cost is drinks and if you order more drinks then you require more service.
  - ohyes 2y ago
    Neither of which matter as the labor for production of said meal and drinks does not benefit from the tip, it is instead the person who takes your order and carries it to the table.
    - akira2501 2y ago
      Tips get pooled. Only in very expensive restaurants does the chef fully prepare your plate. Arranging that your table gets all it's meals at once is not as simple as you might think it is. If you've not seen how the back of house functions you may have some misconceptions about the sources of labor involved in your meal.
      - ohyes 2y ago
        How does Olive Garden work?
        akira2501 2y ago
        Where the most expensive item is literally three dishes in one? This is the expense difference you are complaining about? Least expensive item is a salad at $7. $0.70 tip. Most expensive is $22. $2.20 tip. This is a baffling thing to care about.
        ohyes 2y ago
        I don’t care about tip amount? Howevery, I think you’re being pretty stingy with a 10% tip. I always tip 20% or more at sitdown places. The pain of potential social reproach is far greater to me than 20% the cost of my meal which I already knew would be part of the cost of going. Mechanically it is easy, move decimal left, multiply by 2. I want to know how it works! You’ve told me I’m ignorant and that’s fine, I’m too invested in my current career to get a job in a kitchen right now, and you seem to know, so go ahead and educate. Who gets my tip and how is it divided? I’ve always assumed it goes entirely to the waitstaff (pooled or not). It seems like maybe it should be distributed to other people who make the service happen. Does the dishwasher get a cut? What about the line cooks?
justapassenger 2y ago
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demosthanos 2y ago
This is why it has to be legislation that simultaneously forces the entire market to stop it at once. That may not ever happen, but these terminals at fast casual takeout places are definitely starting to build consensus against tipping. > What's becoming a problem is that many businesses that weren't tip-related are suddenly requesting tips for service. Those are the ones that people should not tip. The problem is that the line between where tipping is required is incredibly difficult for people to understand. It used to be that if they asked you to enter a tip that meant that the employee wasn't getting a living wage unless you gave something. Now you can't use that, and all the "simple" ways that people say you can know are just confusing to most people. The result is that people have to either make a random decision or consistently tip everywhere or nowhere, and everywhere isn't financially possible.
yieldcrv 2y ago
The customer should get higher prices The customer is already getting higher prices and pressured to tip a percentage regardless of the price
dig1 2y ago
By following this analogy, what would stop us (in IT) from requesting tips when we are not happy with our salary? This tipping madness should stop and is IMHO US specific - I don't see that the rest of the world sees tipping as something "by default", and in many countries tipping is even disrespectful.
clipsy 2y ago
The best hospitality I've personally been witness to has been in Japan, where tipping is not only not required but viewed as offensive.

nikau 2y ago

> Customers get higher prices Well not if you factor in not having to pay a tip.

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whycome 2y ago

> What's becoming a problem is that many businesses that weren't tip-related are suddenly requesting tips for service. Who gets to decide? I think the only absurd thing is making it a percentage of the cost. Why do I tip someone more for doing the same job because my meal/service is more expensive?

beezle 2y ago
Ask your real estate agent that question too
- whycome 2y ago
  Right?! Isn’t there a current lawsuit looking to change the absurd practice of commissions for house sales as they currently stand?
akira2501 2y ago
It's often not the same job behind the scenes. Your more expensive meal typically requires more effort to prepare. The other function of cost is drinks and if you order more drinks then you require more service.
- ohyes 2y ago
  Neither of which matter as the labor for production of said meal and drinks does not benefit from the tip, it is instead the person who takes your order and carries it to the table.
  - akira2501 2y ago
    Tips get pooled. Only in very expensive restaurants does the chef fully prepare your plate. Arranging that your table gets all it's meals at once is not as simple as you might think it is. If you've not seen how the back of house functions you may have some misconceptions about the sources of labor involved in your meal.
    - ohyes 2y ago
      How does Olive Garden work?
      - akira2501 2y ago
        Where the most expensive item is literally three dishes in one? This is the expense difference you are complaining about? Least expensive item is a salad at $7. $0.70 tip. Most expensive is $22. $2.20 tip. This is a baffling thing to care about.
        ohyes 2y ago
        I don’t care about tip amount? Howevery, I think you’re being pretty stingy with a 10% tip. I always tip 20% or more at sitdown places. The pain of potential social reproach is far greater to me than 20% the cost of my meal which I already knew would be part of the cost of going. Mechanically it is easy, move decimal left, multiply by 2. I want to know how it works! You’ve told me I’m ignorant and that’s fine, I’m too invested in my current career to get a job in a kitchen right now, and you seem to know, so go ahead and educate. Who gets my tip and how is it divided? I’ve always assumed it goes entirely to the waitstaff (pooled or not). It seems like maybe it should be distributed to other people who make the service happen. Does the dishwasher get a cut? What about the line cooks?

justapassenger 2y ago

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demosthanos 2y ago

This is why it has to be legislation that simultaneously forces the entire market to stop it at once. That may not ever happen, but these terminals at fast casual takeout places are definitely starting to build consensus against tipping. > What's becoming a problem is that many businesses that weren't tip-related are suddenly requesting tips for service. Those are the ones that people should not tip. The problem is that the line between where tipping is required is incredibly difficult for people to understand. It used to be that if they asked you to enter a tip that meant that the employee wasn't getting a living wage unless you gave something. Now you can't use that, and all the "simple" ways that people say you can know are just confusing to most people. The result is that people have to either make a random decision or consistently tip everywhere or nowhere, and everywhere isn't financially possible.

yieldcrv 2y ago

The customer should get higher prices The customer is already getting higher prices and pressured to tip a percentage regardless of the price

dig1 2y ago

By following this analogy, what would stop us (in IT) from requesting tips when we are not happy with our salary? This tipping madness should stop and is IMHO US specific - I don't see that the rest of the world sees tipping as something "by default", and in many countries tipping is even disrespectful.

clipsy 2y ago

The best hospitality I've personally been witness to has been in Japan, where tipping is not only not required but viewed as offensive.