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Ok, I read the article. But I still don't know what the big lie is.

jerlam 2y ago
I think the big lie is that wellness companies, doctors, and sleep widget salespeople claim that you can improve your sleep with blackout curtains, less screen time, exercise, fancy tech, and a host of other strategies. But this article is saying that being healthier and richer improve your sleep more dramatically, and those are things that are not directly in your control.
- joshuaturner 2y ago
  > that being healthier and richer improve your sleep Either that or, apparently, living in Nebraska or Minnesota
  - jerlam 2y ago
    It's not a very good article and I don't agree with it. If it was entirely wealth-based, the map should correlate to this map of counties ranked by personal income, but there are clearly differences: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_counties_by_per_capita_income#/media/File:Per_capita_personal_income_by_County.webp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_counties...
- kjkjadksj 2y ago
  I still don’t see any lie. You can have demography bias you for results and also take action for results, these aren’t mutually exclusive.
  - greymalik 2y ago
    Your version of the headline won’t get as many clicks.
- faeriechangling 2y ago
  I don't see how proving that sleep correlates with wealth disproves that those things work whatsoever, because those things are expensive.
- caseyy 2y ago
  All those things seem to work and most don't even trick you in any way, you get the results immediately. Blackout curtains, exercise, less screen time — all very effective strategies. A sleep schedule is another one. It may be less effective trying to become rich or healthier without improving one's sleep schedule. Besides, the article says: > Americans with sleep disorders earn an average of $2,500 less each year than their well-rested peers. And 2.5k gross per annum is not a large gap to bridge. Imagine getting a $1k promotion and spending $125 less on something each month — is your sleep automatically fixed? No, it's a ridiculous idea. There is much more control we have over our sleep schedules (most of the people, there are exceptions) than our economic situation does. People just need to take responsibility for their own actions. Being economically not as well off as someone else is just a convenient scape-goat. There will always be people richer than any other given person. That doesn't mean this given person is now barred from having a healthy sleep schedule. While the correlation may exist, and even some small degree of causation, it is ridiculous to think that $2.5k per year extra will somehow give anyone more sleep, unless that money (after tax) is specifically going towards sleep treatments. But I think maybe less than 1% of all Americans at any given point are saving up for sleep treatments which are kept just very barely out of reach by their income. And very few Americans are in other such contrived scenarios where they really need that $2.5k to sleep well.
- taneq 2y ago
  When we moved into our current house it's the first time I'd slept in a room with roller shutters. The difference they make to a good night's sleep (for me at least) is huge.
- unparagoned 2y ago
  Studies show that those with worst sleep have worse health and sleep habits. So it’s the persons decision to not have good health habits which result in poorer health and poorer sleep. The article has got causation mixed up.
readthenotes1 2y ago
That you can sleep through the class struggle? Workers of the world awake!

I think the big lie is that wellness companies, doctors, and sleep widget salespeople claim that you can improve your sleep with blackout curtains, less screen time, exercise, fancy tech, and a host of other strategies. But this article is saying that being healthier and richer improve your sleep more dramatically, and those are things that are not directly in your control.

joshuaturner 2y ago
> that being healthier and richer improve your sleep Either that or, apparently, living in Nebraska or Minnesota
- jerlam 2y ago
  It's not a very good article and I don't agree with it. If it was entirely wealth-based, the map should correlate to this map of counties ranked by personal income, but there are clearly differences: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_counties_by_per_capita_income#/media/File:Per_capita_personal_income_by_County.webp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_counties...
kjkjadksj 2y ago
I still don’t see any lie. You can have demography bias you for results and also take action for results, these aren’t mutually exclusive.
- greymalik 2y ago
  Your version of the headline won’t get as many clicks.
faeriechangling 2y ago
I don't see how proving that sleep correlates with wealth disproves that those things work whatsoever, because those things are expensive.
caseyy 2y ago
All those things seem to work and most don't even trick you in any way, you get the results immediately. Blackout curtains, exercise, less screen time — all very effective strategies. A sleep schedule is another one. It may be less effective trying to become rich or healthier without improving one's sleep schedule. Besides, the article says: > Americans with sleep disorders earn an average of $2,500 less each year than their well-rested peers. And 2.5k gross per annum is not a large gap to bridge. Imagine getting a $1k promotion and spending $125 less on something each month — is your sleep automatically fixed? No, it's a ridiculous idea. There is much more control we have over our sleep schedules (most of the people, there are exceptions) than our economic situation does. People just need to take responsibility for their own actions. Being economically not as well off as someone else is just a convenient scape-goat. There will always be people richer than any other given person. That doesn't mean this given person is now barred from having a healthy sleep schedule. While the correlation may exist, and even some small degree of causation, it is ridiculous to think that $2.5k per year extra will somehow give anyone more sleep, unless that money (after tax) is specifically going towards sleep treatments. But I think maybe less than 1% of all Americans at any given point are saving up for sleep treatments which are kept just very barely out of reach by their income. And very few Americans are in other such contrived scenarios where they really need that $2.5k to sleep well.
taneq 2y ago
When we moved into our current house it's the first time I'd slept in a room with roller shutters. The difference they make to a good night's sleep (for me at least) is huge.
unparagoned 2y ago
Studies show that those with worst sleep have worse health and sleep habits. So it’s the persons decision to not have good health habits which result in poorer health and poorer sleep. The article has got causation mixed up.

readthenotes1 2y ago

That you can sleep through the class struggle? Workers of the world awake!