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Any guesses until how long your phone acts as both your driver's license and car keys?

w-ll 2y ago
im not sure i would be against adding my drivers license, car title, and insurance to my "ios wallet" or watch, i'd prefer that to looking up emails/photos and then handing my unlocked phone to somebody
kmeisthax 2y ago
In some US states and for some car brands this is already the case.
GauntletWizard 2y ago
There are already Digital Drivers license pilots in CA[1] and Utah[2], and Tesla among others already has a mobile app that can unlock/start your car[3], so for a few people at least, that day is already here. [1] https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/ca-dmv-wallet/ https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/ca-dmv-wallet/ [2] https://dld.utah.gov/utahmdl/ https://dld.utah.gov/utahmdl/ [3] https://service.tesla.com/docs/Public/diy/modely/en_us/GUID-53651B16-A2E3-4118-933E-B5F41C74D433.html https://service.tesla.com/docs/Public/diy/modely/en_us/GUID-...
- seanmcdirmid 2y ago
  Apple car key kind of sucks, without UWB, the phone is at best a key of last resort. Tesla doesn’t use it, and supports UWB from what I hear, so it actually works as a replacement fob.
  - aeontech 2y ago
    In what way does it kind of suck? Just curious, because it seems to work fine for me - unlocks when I come near the car, locks when I walk away.
    - seanmcdirmid 2y ago
      It only works on one door. So you have to open up your driver side door and then..pop the back? Or unlock so your kid can get in. You are talking about UWB, which I don’t think Apple key supports by default. Tesla uses their own app.
      - aeontech 2y ago
        Not sure about other cars, but FWIW on my BMW I can open any door, and the back just having my watch or my phone on me. Maybe the limitation you are seeing is due to the car manufacturer's implementation?
bdd8f1df777b 2y ago
Well, Google Wallet supports both of that, but right now only in limited regions.
mariojv 2y ago
I’d hate to run out of battery or accidentally break my phone and lose access to something as basic as an identity document or my main means of transportation, at the same time as having lost access to call for help.
- basch 2y ago
  It needs to basically act as an RFID. Pass the dead phone over wireless charging, enough juice passes into it for it to reply with your default cards.
- Shank 2y ago
  On iPhone, keys and transit cards that integrate with the system level Key and Express Transit systems work when out of battery as long as your phone isn’t intentionally shut down by you beforehand. I’ve boarded trains and bought items in Japan with a “completely dead” iPhone using the power reserve feature where Express Transit cards remain available. It actually works really well, and means I don’t have much fear using my phone for those things in Japan. Granted, ID cards aren’t like this, but there’s no reason why a system couldn’t be added for them.
  - verticalscaler 2y ago
    They have the same Suica type chips embedded in the Japanese iPhone models, big whoop. One can't help but eyeball a stupid and expensive phone and a hair thin flexible Suica card and shrug. You could also cut that chip out and put it on a cute keychain. :)
    - Shank 2y ago
      Suica-support is not at all done via a special IC in Japanese iPhones. FeliCa is just a spec and JP model iPhone 7 added via a special IC, with iPhone 8 adding support globally. Mobile Suica is far more useful than a physical Suica, with features like being able to review transactions on your phone, refill anywhere, add passes anywhere, and buy Suica green tickets, commuter passes, etc while not at a station terminal. Good luck inserting your cute keychain into a machine for charging or performing basic Suica functions. You’re also completely locked out of commuter passes if you try that, because the machine needs to write that data physically on the card surface.
makeitdouble 2y ago
They'd need to integrate the driver licence into the "MyNumber" network, and there's enough resistance that it might take a while, if it ever happens. For no specific reason, I think drivers will be the last bastion in that fight. PS: apparently it is projected for this year, but there's no additional news on that: https://www.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/topic/1586720.html https://www.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/topic/1586720.html
threeseed 2y ago
You can add your car keys to Apple Wallet: https://support.apple.com/en-au/118271 https://support.apple.com/en-au/118271 Only supported by BMW and Hyundai at this point.
sen 2y ago
We have digital drivers licenses in Australia. I personally like it because I no longer need to carry my wallet for school runs etc, just grab my phone and car fob and I’m sorted most days.
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w-ll 2y ago

im not sure i would be against adding my drivers license, car title, and insurance to my "ios wallet" or watch, i'd prefer that to looking up emails/photos and then handing my unlocked phone to somebody

kmeisthax 2y ago

In some US states and for some car brands this is already the case.

GauntletWizard 2y ago

There are already Digital Drivers license pilots in CA[1] and Utah[2], and Tesla among others already has a mobile app that can unlock/start your car[3], so for a few people at least, that day is already here. [1] https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/ca-dmv-wallet/ https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/ca-dmv-wallet/ [2] https://dld.utah.gov/utahmdl/ https://dld.utah.gov/utahmdl/ [3] https://service.tesla.com/docs/Public/diy/modely/en_us/GUID-53651B16-A2E3-4118-933E-B5F41C74D433.html https://service.tesla.com/docs/Public/diy/modely/en_us/GUID-...

seanmcdirmid 2y ago
Apple car key kind of sucks, without UWB, the phone is at best a key of last resort. Tesla doesn’t use it, and supports UWB from what I hear, so it actually works as a replacement fob.
- aeontech 2y ago
  In what way does it kind of suck? Just curious, because it seems to work fine for me - unlocks when I come near the car, locks when I walk away.
  - seanmcdirmid 2y ago
    It only works on one door. So you have to open up your driver side door and then..pop the back? Or unlock so your kid can get in. You are talking about UWB, which I don’t think Apple key supports by default. Tesla uses their own app.
    - aeontech 2y ago
      Not sure about other cars, but FWIW on my BMW I can open any door, and the back just having my watch or my phone on me. Maybe the limitation you are seeing is due to the car manufacturer's implementation?

bdd8f1df777b 2y ago

Well, Google Wallet supports both of that, but right now only in limited regions.

mariojv 2y ago

I’d hate to run out of battery or accidentally break my phone and lose access to something as basic as an identity document or my main means of transportation, at the same time as having lost access to call for help.

basch 2y ago
It needs to basically act as an RFID. Pass the dead phone over wireless charging, enough juice passes into it for it to reply with your default cards.
Shank 2y ago
On iPhone, keys and transit cards that integrate with the system level Key and Express Transit systems work when out of battery as long as your phone isn’t intentionally shut down by you beforehand. I’ve boarded trains and bought items in Japan with a “completely dead” iPhone using the power reserve feature where Express Transit cards remain available. It actually works really well, and means I don’t have much fear using my phone for those things in Japan. Granted, ID cards aren’t like this, but there’s no reason why a system couldn’t be added for them.
- verticalscaler 2y ago
  They have the same Suica type chips embedded in the Japanese iPhone models, big whoop. One can't help but eyeball a stupid and expensive phone and a hair thin flexible Suica card and shrug. You could also cut that chip out and put it on a cute keychain. :)
  - Shank 2y ago
    Suica-support is not at all done via a special IC in Japanese iPhones. FeliCa is just a spec and JP model iPhone 7 added via a special IC, with iPhone 8 adding support globally. Mobile Suica is far more useful than a physical Suica, with features like being able to review transactions on your phone, refill anywhere, add passes anywhere, and buy Suica green tickets, commuter passes, etc while not at a station terminal. Good luck inserting your cute keychain into a machine for charging or performing basic Suica functions. You’re also completely locked out of commuter passes if you try that, because the machine needs to write that data physically on the card surface.

makeitdouble 2y ago

They'd need to integrate the driver licence into the "MyNumber" network, and there's enough resistance that it might take a while, if it ever happens. For no specific reason, I think drivers will be the last bastion in that fight. PS: apparently it is projected for this year, but there's no additional news on that: https://www.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/topic/1586720.html https://www.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/topic/1586720.html

threeseed 2y ago

You can add your car keys to Apple Wallet: https://support.apple.com/en-au/118271 https://support.apple.com/en-au/118271 Only supported by BMW and Hyundai at this point.

sen 2y ago

We have digital drivers licenses in Australia. I personally like it because I no longer need to carry my wallet for school runs etc, just grab my phone and car fob and I’m sorted most days.

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