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> the US is convicting and jailing their political opponents No, the independent prosecution is charging, and the independent jury convicting, a criminal who h

> the US is convicting and jailing their political opponents No, the independent prosecution is charging, and the independent jury convicting, a criminal who happens to be the political opponent of the current administration. Being the political opponent can't be a get-out-of-jail-free card when you actually commit crimes. And it's yet to be determined whether jailing is going to happen. I think that's deferred at least another month?

throwup238 2y ago
Not only is it one of many cases currently moving forward against Trump brought by several different independent judiciaries at the state and federal level, but the House investigation failed to bring charges against Biden even though they did their best to turn it into a partisan show trial. It takes an extreme level of blatant criminality for anyone to indict, let alone convict, a politician.
mc32 2y ago
This is going to be appealed; I’m fairly certain it will get overturned on appeal. Several prosecutors prior declined to prosecute. Centrist legal experts doubted the case. Of course partisans always opined one way or the other, but you had independents questioning this trial.
- shadowgovt 2y ago
  What is the likeliest grounds for an overturn?
psychlops 2y ago
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voisin 2y ago
> who happens to be the political opponent of the current administration He wasn’t the opponent when the charges were brought. He was just a loud mouthed ex-President.
- leereeves 2y ago
  That's not true. The DA began presenting evidence to the grand jury in Jan 2023, two months after Trump announced he was running. https://www.npr.org/2022/11/15/1044234232/trump-announces-run-president-2024 https://www.npr.org/2022/11/15/1044234232/trump-announces-ru... https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-stormy-daniels-manhattan-da_n_63d80565e4b07c0c7e050a5d https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-stormy-daniels-manhatta...
  - AnimalMuppet 2y ago
    But why announce that you're running that far in advance, if not to use "running for president" as a shield against the criminal cases that everyone could see were coming?
leereeves 2y ago
> the independent prosecution is charging The DA, Alvin Bragg, is not independent, he's a Democrat.
- loeg 2y ago
  Inevitably our prosecutors must be humans, not angels.
  - leereeves 2y ago
    Yes, and therefore subject to pressure from the political parties that support them.
    - AnimalMuppet 2y ago
      Therefore... what? Only independents can be attorneys general? Can be judges? Or nobody can be judges? Your observation is true, and yet, we kind of need to keep a civilization running, and for that we need courts and stuff. What kind of plan do you have for how things would be different, and will it actually work in the real world?
      - leereeves 2y ago
        Of course I don't have a plan for eliminating all dirty politics, nor do I think it's possible. But we can certainly remember that dirty politics exists and be wary of it.
        ModernMech 2y ago
        Great, but you should have more when making charges of bias and corruption than "he's a Democrat, therefore dirty". When we say someone like a prosecutor is "independent" it means they are not directed by a superior. Bragg is not directed by the mayor of NY, the governor of NY, the AG, or the President. He may be a Democrat, but he's still independent (lower case "i"). If you come in and call him a "Democrat" when someone else calls him independent, you are implying he is a Democrat before anything else, and his actions are driven by allegiance to the party. That's not true. So can you tell us anything specifically that Bragg did that was not independent, where he was directed by Biden or Democrats? Or did he prosecute Trump as the law directed him to?

throwup238 2y ago

Not only is it one of many cases currently moving forward against Trump brought by several different independent judiciaries at the state and federal level, but the House investigation failed to bring charges against Biden even though they did their best to turn it into a partisan show trial. It takes an extreme level of blatant criminality for anyone to indict, let alone convict, a politician.

mc32 2y ago

This is going to be appealed; I’m fairly certain it will get overturned on appeal. Several prosecutors prior declined to prosecute. Centrist legal experts doubted the case. Of course partisans always opined one way or the other, but you had independents questioning this trial.

shadowgovt 2y ago
What is the likeliest grounds for an overturn?

psychlops 2y ago

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voisin 2y ago

> who happens to be the political opponent of the current administration He wasn’t the opponent when the charges were brought. He was just a loud mouthed ex-President.

leereeves 2y ago
That's not true. The DA began presenting evidence to the grand jury in Jan 2023, two months after Trump announced he was running. https://www.npr.org/2022/11/15/1044234232/trump-announces-run-president-2024 https://www.npr.org/2022/11/15/1044234232/trump-announces-ru... https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-stormy-daniels-manhattan-da_n_63d80565e4b07c0c7e050a5d https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-stormy-daniels-manhatta...
- AnimalMuppet 2y ago
  But why announce that you're running that far in advance, if not to use "running for president" as a shield against the criminal cases that everyone could see were coming?

leereeves 2y ago

> the independent prosecution is charging The DA, Alvin Bragg, is not independent, he's a Democrat.

loeg 2y ago
Inevitably our prosecutors must be humans, not angels.
- leereeves 2y ago
  Yes, and therefore subject to pressure from the political parties that support them.
  - AnimalMuppet 2y ago
    Therefore... what? Only independents can be attorneys general? Can be judges? Or nobody can be judges? Your observation is true, and yet, we kind of need to keep a civilization running, and for that we need courts and stuff. What kind of plan do you have for how things would be different, and will it actually work in the real world?
    - leereeves 2y ago
      Of course I don't have a plan for eliminating all dirty politics, nor do I think it's possible. But we can certainly remember that dirty politics exists and be wary of it.
      - ModernMech 2y ago
        Great, but you should have more when making charges of bias and corruption than "he's a Democrat, therefore dirty". When we say someone like a prosecutor is "independent" it means they are not directed by a superior. Bragg is not directed by the mayor of NY, the governor of NY, the AG, or the President. He may be a Democrat, but he's still independent (lower case "i"). If you come in and call him a "Democrat" when someone else calls him independent, you are implying he is a Democrat before anything else, and his actions are driven by allegiance to the party. That's not true. So can you tell us anything specifically that Bragg did that was not independent, where he was directed by Biden or Democrats? Or did he prosecute Trump as the law directed him to?