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To add, Jesus only commanded the spread of the Gospel, and not the books or writing, but rather just teaching about Jesus and how he provides salvation through

by Salgat 2y ago

To add, Jesus only commanded the spread of the Gospel, and not the books or writing, but rather just teaching about Jesus and how he provides salvation through his sacrifice.

BizarroLand 2y ago
After all, the point is not that a certain selection of appropriate texts be considered the end all and be all of existence, but rather that the Bible is supposed to be a history of what other people did while under Gods rule during their lives so that you can get an idea of how to live under Gods rule in your life. People get hung up on the dead past rather than the living present. They say God is unchanging and eternal and neglect that he built an ever-changing universe of entropy for us to live in. Even the "Gospel" means "Good News" or "Glad Tidings". What good news comes from 2,000 year old texts? It's not news at this point, it's history. The Good News comes from people today choosing to be better, to do better, to not oppress, to not commit evil acts against others but to do good things to other people, to say kind words from a good heart because they believe in a better world coming tomorrow.
- eru 2y ago
  > After all, the point is not that a certain selection of appropriate texts be considered the end all and be all of existence, but rather that the Bible is supposed to be a history of what other people did while under Gods rule during their lives so that you can get an idea of how to live under Gods rule in your life. There's lots of stuff in the Bible. Much of it falls under the category you describe, but not all. > The Good News comes from people today choosing to be better, to do better, to not oppress, to not commit evil acts against others but to do good things to other people, to say kind words from a good heart because they believe in a better world coming tomorrow. Different people have different interpretations. What you describe sounds nice, but I don't think it's exactly the orthodoxy for many Christians.
  - BizarroLand 2y ago
    I see what you're saying, but that's literally the point. Jesus was hardcore, but that's because he had a mission. Children understand how to get into heaven. Adults are the ones who have problems with it. Be nice. Be better. Do your best. Apologize when you mess up. Grow. If God wants more from you, God will tell you personally, in a way that can't be confused with schizophrenic mania or paranoid delusion. Anything else is part of some hokey religion masquerading as spirituality.
    - eru 2y ago
      > Children understand how to get into heaven. Adults are the ones who have problems with it. You get in because you're predestined to? Sounds pretty simple to understand. Or go to heaven because of faith alone, if you subscribe to a different strain of Christianity. Or go to heaven because of faith and good works, if you subscribe to yet a different strain of Christianity. Or any number of other interpretations you can find. I don't think your homebrewn theology is necessarily better (nor worse) than the other guys' versions. > If God wants more from you, God will tell you personally, in a way that can't be confused with schizophrenic mania or paranoid delusion. I'm not doing anything at all, and God hasn't told me anything ever. So I guess I'm good by your interpretation?
sorokod 2y ago
Non of the gospels were written during his presumed lifetime.
- eru 2y ago
  > Non of the gospels were written during his presumed lifetime. More importantly, none of the gospels were created during his presumed lifetime. (For the Christian tradition this seems like a minor difference, but we are exactly talking about oral vs written preservation and transmission here.) Homer's works are an interesting parallel, because they are believed to have been transmitted orally first, before being written down later.
- Salgat 2y ago
  Correct, the gospel was originally spread by word of mouth.
- pbhjpbhj 2y ago
  Just in case you don't realise the Gospel is 'the message of salvation through Jesus' and is not the books in the New Testament called "the gospels". In the Bible when Jesus tells disciples to teach the gospel, the Greek word can be translated 'good news'. A similar reference-instance error occurs with the Bible itself: 'the Word of God' is Jesus, not the Bible, the Bible is a pointer to the Word. Perhaps too much of a digression for this forum.
  - sorokod 2y ago
    Any reason to assume that common folks in the Roman province of Judea were preached to in Greek? As to the actual gospel you may be interested in this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_of_Jesus https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_of_Jesus

by Salgat 2y ago

To add, Jesus only commanded the spread of the Gospel, and not the books or writing, but rather just teaching about Jesus and how he provides salvation through his sacrifice.

BizarroLand 2y ago

After all, the point is not that a certain selection of appropriate texts be considered the end all and be all of existence, but rather that the Bible is supposed to be a history of what other people did while under Gods rule during their lives so that you can get an idea of how to live under Gods rule in your life. People get hung up on the dead past rather than the living present. They say God is unchanging and eternal and neglect that he built an ever-changing universe of entropy for us to live in. Even the "Gospel" means "Good News" or "Glad Tidings". What good news comes from 2,000 year old texts? It's not news at this point, it's history. The Good News comes from people today choosing to be better, to do better, to not oppress, to not commit evil acts against others but to do good things to other people, to say kind words from a good heart because they believe in a better world coming tomorrow.

eru 2y ago
> After all, the point is not that a certain selection of appropriate texts be considered the end all and be all of existence, but rather that the Bible is supposed to be a history of what other people did while under Gods rule during their lives so that you can get an idea of how to live under Gods rule in your life. There's lots of stuff in the Bible. Much of it falls under the category you describe, but not all. > The Good News comes from people today choosing to be better, to do better, to not oppress, to not commit evil acts against others but to do good things to other people, to say kind words from a good heart because they believe in a better world coming tomorrow. Different people have different interpretations. What you describe sounds nice, but I don't think it's exactly the orthodoxy for many Christians.
- BizarroLand 2y ago
  I see what you're saying, but that's literally the point. Jesus was hardcore, but that's because he had a mission. Children understand how to get into heaven. Adults are the ones who have problems with it. Be nice. Be better. Do your best. Apologize when you mess up. Grow. If God wants more from you, God will tell you personally, in a way that can't be confused with schizophrenic mania or paranoid delusion. Anything else is part of some hokey religion masquerading as spirituality.
  - eru 2y ago
    > Children understand how to get into heaven. Adults are the ones who have problems with it. You get in because you're predestined to? Sounds pretty simple to understand. Or go to heaven because of faith alone, if you subscribe to a different strain of Christianity. Or go to heaven because of faith and good works, if you subscribe to yet a different strain of Christianity. Or any number of other interpretations you can find. I don't think your homebrewn theology is necessarily better (nor worse) than the other guys' versions. > If God wants more from you, God will tell you personally, in a way that can't be confused with schizophrenic mania or paranoid delusion. I'm not doing anything at all, and God hasn't told me anything ever. So I guess I'm good by your interpretation?

sorokod 2y ago

Non of the gospels were written during his presumed lifetime.

eru 2y ago
> Non of the gospels were written during his presumed lifetime. More importantly, none of the gospels were created during his presumed lifetime. (For the Christian tradition this seems like a minor difference, but we are exactly talking about oral vs written preservation and transmission here.) Homer's works are an interesting parallel, because they are believed to have been transmitted orally first, before being written down later.
Salgat 2y ago
Correct, the gospel was originally spread by word of mouth.
pbhjpbhj 2y ago
Just in case you don't realise the Gospel is 'the message of salvation through Jesus' and is not the books in the New Testament called "the gospels". In the Bible when Jesus tells disciples to teach the gospel, the Greek word can be translated 'good news'. A similar reference-instance error occurs with the Bible itself: 'the Word of God' is Jesus, not the Bible, the Bible is a pointer to the Word. Perhaps too much of a digression for this forum.
- sorokod 2y ago
  Any reason to assume that common folks in the Roman province of Judea were preached to in Greek? As to the actual gospel you may be interested in this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_of_Jesus https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_of_Jesus