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Fun facts, there is an important Islamic tradition where group of people (tens or hundreds thousands of them) called Hafiz memorize the entire Quran. If for exa

Fun facts, there is an important Islamic tradition where group of people (tens or hundreds thousands of them) called Hafiz memorize the entire Quran. If for example, God forbid, that the entire written copies either physicallly or digitally of the Quran are completely destroyed, it can be recreated completely in no time. This practice is considered a living miracle since no other holy book has this crucial feature and it is also well known that even the Pope do not memorize the complete Bible.

Pamar 2y ago
Nitpicking Alert!!! The Pope Should be more concerned about the Gospel, I think.
- eru 2y ago
  The Catholic church could use a Bible memorisation contest to pick their new Popes. They don't. I presume for good reasons?
HumblyTossed 2y ago
I sincerely hope this doesn't get taken the wrong way but this seems like a worldly solution to a Godly problem. Is the God in the Quran not sovereign? Why would He need humans to protect the Quran? Again, not a critique, just a curiosity.
- dasil003 2y ago
  Because even when you’re all powerful, it’s hard to find good help
- eru 2y ago
  Why would any almighty deity need humans to do anything at all? This is a generalised critique against most commandments of many religions. (If the deity didn't want me to commit act X, why is act X even physically possible?) There are quite a few specific and also generalised responses to this critique. Look for eg "Why does God permit evil?", "Why does God allow suffering?" and similar.)
  - HumblyTossed 2y ago
    > Look for eg "Why does God permit evil?", "Why does God allow suffering?" and similar.) That's addressed in Job.
    - eru 2y ago
      Yes. And that's just one way to address a part of this topic of one (or a small number of) religions. There's different answers, even amongst the same religion, but even more across religions. Btw, you might like https://unsongbook.com/ https://unsongbook.com/
mminer237 2y ago
The Bible is about ten times the length of the Quran though. Some people like John Goetsch and Tom Meyer currently have most of it memorized nonetheless, but Christians largely believe that God will supernaturally preserve the Bible no matter what, so memorization is just for personal betterment and to better share it with others.
- Salgat 2y ago
  To add, Jesus only commanded the spread of the Gospel, and not the books or writing, but rather just teaching about Jesus and how he provides salvation through his sacrifice.
  - BizarroLand 2y ago
    After all, the point is not that a certain selection of appropriate texts be considered the end all and be all of existence, but rather that the Bible is supposed to be a history of what other people did while under Gods rule during their lives so that you can get an idea of how to live under Gods rule in your life. People get hung up on the dead past rather than the living present. They say God is unchanging and eternal and neglect that he built an ever-changing universe of entropy for us to live in. Even the "Gospel" means "Good News" or "Glad Tidings". What good news comes from 2,000 year old texts? It's not news at this point, it's history. The Good News comes from people today choosing to be better, to do better, to not oppress, to not commit evil acts against others but to do good things to other people, to say kind words from a good heart because they believe in a better world coming tomorrow.
    - eru 2y ago
      > After all, the point is not that a certain selection of appropriate texts be considered the end all and be all of existence, but rather that the Bible is supposed to be a history of what other people did while under Gods rule during their lives so that you can get an idea of how to live under Gods rule in your life. There's lots of stuff in the Bible. Much of it falls under the category you describe, but not all. > The Good News comes from people today choosing to be better, to do better, to not oppress, to not commit evil acts against others but to do good things to other people, to say kind words from a good heart because they believe in a better world coming tomorrow. Different people have different interpretations. What you describe sounds nice, but I don't think it's exactly the orthodoxy for many Christians.
rsaz 2y ago
The Guru Granth Sahib Ji (GGSJ) has also been memorized by some people. It’s much rarer than in Islam, but the GGSJ being written in verse with defined melodies/meter helps with memorization. It is much longer than the Quran though, and there isn’t as much emphasis on memorizing the whole thing (the daily prayers are commonly known though).

Pamar 2y ago

Nitpicking Alert!!! The Pope Should be more concerned about the Gospel, I think.

eru 2y ago
The Catholic church could use a Bible memorisation contest to pick their new Popes. They don't. I presume for good reasons?

HumblyTossed 2y ago

I sincerely hope this doesn't get taken the wrong way but this seems like a worldly solution to a Godly problem. Is the God in the Quran not sovereign? Why would He need humans to protect the Quran? Again, not a critique, just a curiosity.

dasil003 2y ago
Because even when you’re all powerful, it’s hard to find good help
eru 2y ago
Why would any almighty deity need humans to do anything at all? This is a generalised critique against most commandments of many religions. (If the deity didn't want me to commit act X, why is act X even physically possible?) There are quite a few specific and also generalised responses to this critique. Look for eg "Why does God permit evil?", "Why does God allow suffering?" and similar.)
- HumblyTossed 2y ago
  > Look for eg "Why does God permit evil?", "Why does God allow suffering?" and similar.) That's addressed in Job.
  - eru 2y ago
    Yes. And that's just one way to address a part of this topic of one (or a small number of) religions. There's different answers, even amongst the same religion, but even more across religions. Btw, you might like https://unsongbook.com/ https://unsongbook.com/

mminer237 2y ago

The Bible is about ten times the length of the Quran though. Some people like John Goetsch and Tom Meyer currently have most of it memorized nonetheless, but Christians largely believe that God will supernaturally preserve the Bible no matter what, so memorization is just for personal betterment and to better share it with others.

Salgat 2y ago
To add, Jesus only commanded the spread of the Gospel, and not the books or writing, but rather just teaching about Jesus and how he provides salvation through his sacrifice.
- BizarroLand 2y ago
  After all, the point is not that a certain selection of appropriate texts be considered the end all and be all of existence, but rather that the Bible is supposed to be a history of what other people did while under Gods rule during their lives so that you can get an idea of how to live under Gods rule in your life. People get hung up on the dead past rather than the living present. They say God is unchanging and eternal and neglect that he built an ever-changing universe of entropy for us to live in. Even the "Gospel" means "Good News" or "Glad Tidings". What good news comes from 2,000 year old texts? It's not news at this point, it's history. The Good News comes from people today choosing to be better, to do better, to not oppress, to not commit evil acts against others but to do good things to other people, to say kind words from a good heart because they believe in a better world coming tomorrow.
  - eru 2y ago
    > After all, the point is not that a certain selection of appropriate texts be considered the end all and be all of existence, but rather that the Bible is supposed to be a history of what other people did while under Gods rule during their lives so that you can get an idea of how to live under Gods rule in your life. There's lots of stuff in the Bible. Much of it falls under the category you describe, but not all. > The Good News comes from people today choosing to be better, to do better, to not oppress, to not commit evil acts against others but to do good things to other people, to say kind words from a good heart because they believe in a better world coming tomorrow. Different people have different interpretations. What you describe sounds nice, but I don't think it's exactly the orthodoxy for many Christians.

rsaz 2y ago

The Guru Granth Sahib Ji (GGSJ) has also been memorized by some people. It’s much rarer than in Islam, but the GGSJ being written in verse with defined melodies/meter helps with memorization. It is much longer than the Quran though, and there isn’t as much emphasis on memorizing the whole thing (the daily prayers are commonly known though).