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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmLekaO4LMc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmLekaO4LMc from an economics professor who examines the evidence about what is cau
by chii 2y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmLekaO4LMc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmLekaO4LMc
from an economics professor who examines the evidence about what is causing the trade war between china and the west.
The main thesis is that car manufacturing (and associated manufacturing such as batteries, electronics etc) is "strategic" enough that the west doesn't want to build a dependence on china for it.
In the event of a war, china can cripple the west by cutting off the exports, and/or potentially install backdoors into the devices and shut them down to disrupt etc.
Not to mention that by allowing china to own the manufacturing, they will have built up the massive industrial capacity for which it is easy to convert to a war time factory. The west's dwindling manufacturing capacity would mean that china will out-produce and win - lessons that is learnt from WW2.
- protomolecule 2y ago>In the event of a war, china can cripple the west by cutting off the exports Isn't that a good thing? This makes the all-out war between China and the US much less likely.
- blake1 2y agoIt’s a bad thing if it increases China’s confidence that it can win. Wars are often launched as soon as one side thinks it has a winning strategy that might slip away over time.
- protomolecule 2y agoWin what?
- adrianN 2y agoTaiwan, control over the pacific…
- protomolecule 2y agoTaiwan is part of China and both ROC and PRC have claims on the whole China. As for the Pacific ocean, it's not an American gulf, it's literally half a planet. Nobody can control it, even the US with all their military bases on Pacific islands.
- chii 2y agono, under the proposed dependency scenario, it makes china hold an outsized bargaining position because china _can_ withstand a war while the west wouldn't. It's not a symmetrical relationship - china can survive their stopping of exports, as they are an autocracy, which means the citizens cannot complain (much). The west's citizens would not want to make sacrifices or suffer as imports get stopped, and thus will acquiesce policies on china when it is actually not advantageous to do so otherwise. For example, reneging on the sort of defacto protection being offered for a lot of the east asian countries (japan, korea etc). The war that russia is waging against ukraine is clear evidence used to support this point - that being dependent on russian gas/oil was a mistake and europe is paying dearly for it.
- protomolecule 2y ago>as they are an autocracy, which means the citizens cannot complain You mean like in the Middle East during the Arab spring? >The west's citizens would not want to make sacrifices That's how democracy works, right? >europe is paying dearly for it Some would say that Europe is paying for American "Fuck the EU"[0] policy. [0] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957
- throwaway1105q 2y agoThere are very significant budget/capability differences between any of the Arab Spring states and China. Also internal religious and ideological differences - there is no large armed faction in China.
- protomolecule 2y agoI don't think that 1.5 billion people can be a monolithic society.
- mensetmanusman 2y agoNo, more likely. (Assuming China recognized how weak the US would be if it had no large machine manufacturing at home).