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I get this, I have an uncanny memory of my youth and have clear memories of the fear that ran through me when I realized I didn't know where Mom was. However,

I get this, I have an uncanny memory of my youth and have clear memories of the fear that ran through me when I realized I didn't know where Mom was. However, I think this belief that humans evolved to be so sensitive to childhood trauma is incredibly over sensationalized. I'm no worse off in life despite getting lost a few times. Your kid will be fine.

locococo 2y ago
Parents have a lot to contend with as it is. Making live easier by preventing the temporary loss of a child and the anxiety for both parties is a benefit. If anything this gives kids more freedom, anyone not understand this should have a set of kids first.
- Dylan16807 2y ago
  Learning how to deal with anxiety in limited doses is an important part of childhood too. > If anything this gives kids more freedom I hope you're not too optimistic there. If it lets kids roam around outside more, than the upsides massively outweigh the downsides. But that's a very big "if".
  - locococo 2y ago
    I am speaking from experience as a father of two. The watch teaches the kids to reach out when they feel overwhelmed. They are fully in control of their own destiny. They don't always end up where they planned they were going and that is perfectly ok for me because they can reach me if there is an issue.
    - Dylan16807 2y ago
      I will note that a way to reach out does not need to involve location tracking capabilities.
      - vel0city 2y ago
        No, but it becomes a lot more useful when your kid calls scared and barely able to talk and have generally no idea where they are.
        Dylan16807 2y ago
        Even in that situation, at most you need some way to get a location at that moment when they chose to reach out to you, not tracking.
      - locococo 2y ago
        My kids spend a lit if time outside, riding bikes running around the forest... If they have an accident it's useful to be able to get to them quickly. Please spare me a response about the qualities of facing adversity and walking home 3 miles with a broken collar bone. If you lack the imagination of how location information is useful then that is ok. Companies offer it because it is, and people want it
        Dylan16807 2y ago
        I didn't say that. Should I just quote my adjacent reply that I guess you didn't see? "Even in that situation, at most you need some way to get a location at that moment when they chose to reach out to you, not tracking." And the ability to get in contact is 90% of the benefit.
- vasco 2y ago
  Well if you decide to create rules to remove freedom and then say "you can only get your freedom back with this device I'll force you to wear" and call that "more freedom", we have different definitions. You could let them go to the same places they will go with the watch already, you were the one limiting freedom, not the absence of a watch.
stickfigure 2y ago
Thanks. Yeah, I agree - I'm not worried for him, he's going to be fine. But I think he would be willing to roam more freely if he had the security blanket of being able to reach out to mama & papa if he needs it. I'm sure he'll grow out of that like every other kid.
bdd8f1df777b 2y ago
> However, I think this belief that humans evolved to be so sensitive to childhood trauma is incredibly over sensationalized. I'm no worse off in life despite getting lost a few times. Your kid will be fine. If that is true, then you cannot say that tracking your child's every step will traumatize them permanently either.
- vasco 2y ago
  I don't think people are saying it does. It doesn't cause trauma, just causes overdependence on "someone watching over me", as well as a diminished sense of the value of privacy.

locococo 2y ago

Parents have a lot to contend with as it is. Making live easier by preventing the temporary loss of a child and the anxiety for both parties is a benefit. If anything this gives kids more freedom, anyone not understand this should have a set of kids first.

Dylan16807 2y ago
Learning how to deal with anxiety in limited doses is an important part of childhood too. > If anything this gives kids more freedom I hope you're not too optimistic there. If it lets kids roam around outside more, than the upsides massively outweigh the downsides. But that's a very big "if".
- locococo 2y ago
  I am speaking from experience as a father of two. The watch teaches the kids to reach out when they feel overwhelmed. They are fully in control of their own destiny. They don't always end up where they planned they were going and that is perfectly ok for me because they can reach me if there is an issue.
  - Dylan16807 2y ago
    I will note that a way to reach out does not need to involve location tracking capabilities.
    - vel0city 2y ago
      No, but it becomes a lot more useful when your kid calls scared and barely able to talk and have generally no idea where they are.
      - Dylan16807 2y ago
        Even in that situation, at most you need some way to get a location at that moment when they chose to reach out to you, not tracking.
    - locococo 2y ago
      My kids spend a lit if time outside, riding bikes running around the forest... If they have an accident it's useful to be able to get to them quickly. Please spare me a response about the qualities of facing adversity and walking home 3 miles with a broken collar bone. If you lack the imagination of how location information is useful then that is ok. Companies offer it because it is, and people want it
      - Dylan16807 2y ago
        I didn't say that. Should I just quote my adjacent reply that I guess you didn't see? "Even in that situation, at most you need some way to get a location at that moment when they chose to reach out to you, not tracking." And the ability to get in contact is 90% of the benefit.
vasco 2y ago
Well if you decide to create rules to remove freedom and then say "you can only get your freedom back with this device I'll force you to wear" and call that "more freedom", we have different definitions. You could let them go to the same places they will go with the watch already, you were the one limiting freedom, not the absence of a watch.

stickfigure 2y ago

Thanks. Yeah, I agree - I'm not worried for him, he's going to be fine. But I think he would be willing to roam more freely if he had the security blanket of being able to reach out to mama & papa if he needs it. I'm sure he'll grow out of that like every other kid.

bdd8f1df777b 2y ago

> However, I think this belief that humans evolved to be so sensitive to childhood trauma is incredibly over sensationalized. I'm no worse off in life despite getting lost a few times. Your kid will be fine. If that is true, then you cannot say that tracking your child's every step will traumatize them permanently either.

vasco 2y ago
I don't think people are saying it does. It doesn't cause trauma, just causes overdependence on "someone watching over me", as well as a diminished sense of the value of privacy.