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But that's what makes a protest effective: it's inconvenient! Otherwise, the protest has no power to change anything. As long as its not violent or blowing thin

But that's what makes a protest effective: it's inconvenient! Otherwise, the protest has no power to change anything. As long as its not violent or blowing things up I think "the establishment" should at least concede that. Case in point: look what happened in Israel when the Abraham Accords were signed, Hamas decided to go for the "nuclear" option.

tensor 2y ago
Harassing people, preventing people sleeping for weeks, this is not "inconvenience" it's violence and intimidation against fellow citizens. I have zero sympathy or tolerance for violent occupations that force people out of their home, nor their supporters who try to pretend these things didn't happen.
- adamomada 2y ago
  Your bar for violence is so low you might accuse me of it for laughing in your face It is 100% inconvenience, and if there’s one thing that can not be tolerated in these times, is any sort of inconvenience.
  - marcosdumay 2y ago
    Funny. If the police did wake people out several times every night, it would be clearly considered not only violent, but outright torture.
Marsymars 2y ago
> But that's what makes a protest effective: it's inconvenient! Otherwise, the protest has no power to change anything. Well that's kind of the point - protesters don't have the power to change anything based on physical inconvenience. The inconvenience is merely a PR effort because protesters don't have any more effective form of of PR - if people are famous/wealthy/powerful/etc. they have better forms of PR available. The problem with some styles of protest is that they're asymmetrical in terms of damage. A relatively small number of people who get worked up enough can congregate in one location and indefinitely shut down the operations of a person/group/organization/government. At some point the legitimate governing body needs to enforce the functioning of society, or they'll lose the mandate to govern.
- tharmas 2y ago
  Union Picket lines?

tensor 2y ago

Harassing people, preventing people sleeping for weeks, this is not "inconvenience" it's violence and intimidation against fellow citizens. I have zero sympathy or tolerance for violent occupations that force people out of their home, nor their supporters who try to pretend these things didn't happen.

adamomada 2y ago
Your bar for violence is so low you might accuse me of it for laughing in your face It is 100% inconvenience, and if there’s one thing that can not be tolerated in these times, is any sort of inconvenience.
- marcosdumay 2y ago
  Funny. If the police did wake people out several times every night, it would be clearly considered not only violent, but outright torture.

Marsymars 2y ago

> But that's what makes a protest effective: it's inconvenient! Otherwise, the protest has no power to change anything. Well that's kind of the point - protesters don't have the power to change anything based on physical inconvenience. The inconvenience is merely a PR effort because protesters don't have any more effective form of of PR - if people are famous/wealthy/powerful/etc. they have better forms of PR available. The problem with some styles of protest is that they're asymmetrical in terms of damage. A relatively small number of people who get worked up enough can congregate in one location and indefinitely shut down the operations of a person/group/organization/government. At some point the legitimate governing body needs to enforce the functioning of society, or they'll lose the mandate to govern.

tharmas 2y ago
Union Picket lines?