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> Refactoring doesn't just benefit you in 50 years it can benefit within weeks. Proving the value is the hard problem. It's almost impossible to prove the valu

• pydry 2y ago
  >Proving the value is the hard problem Or impossible, even. Thats why I just do it. If somebody wants proof that my years of experience applied in a particular way will provide a quantifiable benefit that is impossible I will just avoid doing that thing. Or more likely, move somewhere which can appreciate those non quantifiable benefits.
  • shepherdjerred 2y ago
    > Or more likely, move somewhere which can appreciate those non quantifiable benefits. How can you find such a place? This definitely resonates with me. There's so much value in doing things right, but it's impossible to prove. I can do things that make my team go faster, but there's no way to say that having a X% better tests resulted in us being able to release Y% more features.
    • pydry 2y ago
      Try to give off trustworthy vibes and pick customers/clients/employers who will trust you. I'm not going to pretend it always worked for me, but it certainly got easier once I could demonstrate a wealth of experience. There's a lot of luck, too. In terms of refactoring, I have an iron rule that I never ask for permission. If I think it needs doing I do it. I don't justify it to product or ask for their opinion. Technical issues and priorities are on a need to know basis and they don't need to know. All the work gets baked into feature work and bugfixes.