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> What's valuable is that the systems can be explained by their maintainers and adventurers, and that systems of explanation are federated to permit those who w

by lisper 2y ago

> What's valuable is that the systems can be explained by their maintainers and adventurers, and that systems of explanation are federated to permit those who wants to know to participate constructively. Yes, I agree. But I think it's also important that the ability to recognize people who actually understand the systems, to distinguish actual experts from skilled charlatans, be much more widely distributed than it currently is.

sitkack 2y ago
Sounds like you would like to help people activate their BS detectors. You would need to show them easy to detect examples and then break it down. With each iteration getting more and more abstract in the BS cataloged.
- lisper 2y ago
  > Sounds like you would like to help people activate their BS detectors. Yes, exactly. > You would need to show them easy to detect examples and then break it down. This is the problem. There is no such thing as an easy-to-detect example for someone who does not already have a well-developed BS detector. You might want to read this: https://flownet.com/ron/TIKN/ch1.txt https://flownet.com/ron/TIKN/ch1.txt That is the introductory chapter to a previous attempt at tackling this project. It might help put some things in perspective.
  - sitkack 2y ago
    Yeah, the problem is hard. But it is the hardest problem and cannot be solved quickly. But through constant and deliberate exposure to the right kinds of BS, we can inoculate and strengthen those that might succumb to its effects. Frankfurt, Harry. "On Bullshit" (1986) A Reading by AristotleWalks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH-xzi6xBgs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH-xzi6xBgs All the books from https://almossawi.com/ https://almossawi.com/ An Illustrated Book of Bad Arguments https://bookofbadarguments.com/?view=flipbook https://bookofbadarguments.com/?view=flipbook An Illustrated Book of Loaded Language https://bookofbadarguments.com/loaded-language/ https://bookofbadarguments.com/loaded-language/ https://www.amazon.com/Books-Ali-Almossawi/s?rh=n%3A283155%2Cp_27%3AAli+Almossawi https://www.amazon.com/Books-Ali-Almossawi/s?rh=n%3A283155%2...
    - lisper 2y ago
      Thanks for the pointers!

by lisper 2y ago

sitkack 2y ago

Sounds like you would like to help people activate their BS detectors. You would need to show them easy to detect examples and then break it down. With each iteration getting more and more abstract in the BS cataloged.

lisper 2y ago
> Sounds like you would like to help people activate their BS detectors. Yes, exactly. > You would need to show them easy to detect examples and then break it down. This is the problem. There is no such thing as an easy-to-detect example for someone who does not already have a well-developed BS detector. You might want to read this: https://flownet.com/ron/TIKN/ch1.txt https://flownet.com/ron/TIKN/ch1.txt That is the introductory chapter to a previous attempt at tackling this project. It might help put some things in perspective.
- sitkack 2y ago
  Yeah, the problem is hard. But it is the hardest problem and cannot be solved quickly. But through constant and deliberate exposure to the right kinds of BS, we can inoculate and strengthen those that might succumb to its effects. Frankfurt, Harry. "On Bullshit" (1986) A Reading by AristotleWalks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH-xzi6xBgs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH-xzi6xBgs All the books from https://almossawi.com/ https://almossawi.com/ An Illustrated Book of Bad Arguments https://bookofbadarguments.com/?view=flipbook https://bookofbadarguments.com/?view=flipbook An Illustrated Book of Loaded Language https://bookofbadarguments.com/loaded-language/ https://bookofbadarguments.com/loaded-language/ https://www.amazon.com/Books-Ali-Almossawi/s?rh=n%3A283155%2Cp_27%3AAli+Almossawi https://www.amazon.com/Books-Ali-Almossawi/s?rh=n%3A283155%2...
  - lisper 2y ago
    Thanks for the pointers!