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I'm an expat now but I'm hearing it's even worse back in Australia. [Disclaimer: Some of this may be off because I'm hearing it second-hand, not actively invest
by fl0ki 2y ago
I'm an expat now but I'm hearing it's even worse back in Australia. [Disclaimer: Some of this may be off because I'm hearing it second-hand, not actively investigating myself, so corrections are welcome]
I hear people who are already in the top 1-2% in income are told their borrowing power is only A$1M (~U$660K) while houses at all worth raising a family in cost A$3-6M. Banks don't seem to want to lend to them because they could instead lend to yet another property investor that already has a portfolio full of equity and collateral. The houses will sell and the mortgages will close, the banks can afford to be picky.
If you work in tech non-remotely, you're looking at the high end of that because you're competing with everyone else working tech, heavily weighted towards Sydney, and the rest of the country's housing supply is largely irrelevant. The cities certainly aren't designed for car commuting, so the supply of locations is further narrowed to places that are either so close they're walkable or have good public transport.
To my US readers I cannot emphasize enough how much this limits people's options both ways. When you have a non-remote job it limits your housing options, and if you're lucky enough to lock in a house, now it's limited your employment options in return. This isn't great for housing or employment markets. I'd like to think remote work has helped some people, but the most career-focused people I know are sticking to in-person connections, competing with everyone else doing the same.
Meanwhile cashed-up investors can buy up several houses and neither live in them nor rent them out. They're taking supply away from both the buying and renting markets, which is their legal right and a smart move on their part, but totally dysfunctional for the market as a whole. Anyone who does buy a house to rent it out is doing their small part to make buying less affordable but make renting more affordable, making it just that little bit less likely that the next person out there is a buyer of any kind.
Of course there's been doomsaying about a housing bubble pop for decades, especially during the world-famous pandemic lockdowns. Nothing popped and the exponential runaway pricing continues. Surely it's getting untenable enough to pop somehow, if my successful friends can't buy houses then I don't know who's left in the market except the real estate investors themselves.
I honestly don't see how I can un-expat now, and I'm just counting myself lucky to own property in the USA. If I want to keep this sweet deal, my options for moving are more limited than they've ever been, but it looks like a lot of people would gladly sacrifice flexibility to have anywhere near a tenable deal on housing.
- BigJono 2y agoAustralia is always going to be worse as long as we have this weird government/cultural pumping of housing as an investment. Every single bogan here talks like the absolute epitome of life accomplishment is to have a property portfolio to laud over the plebcunt renters. The idea of investing in production or business is laughable, you don't hear it mentioned at all. Our biggest software employers are banks and real estate companies. Everyone I've worked with in my career has worked for REA or a bank at some point. There's no innovation, just property investing. As long as every newspaper in the country keeps running stories about some dipshit 20 year old magically buying 6 houses with a paper route, it's impossible for it to ever change.
- dalyons 2y agoI’m an Aussie who’s lived in the US for 10+ years - you are spot on. Every time I go back all everyone can talk about is property investment and house prices and buying rentals. It was starting when I left 15 years ago but has reached fever pitch now. Play a little game with yourself - see if you can get through any group social event without the subject of property coming up. It’s very sad. Australia used to have a somewhat egalitarian mindset, but this is creating such a massive generational wealth and class divide that gets wider and wider every year. No one seems to understand the damage their quest for parasitic income is doing to society.
- contingencies 2y agoAussie with expat career, back temporarily but heading to the US shortly here. Beware - Aussie banks don't lend money to people without local income due to federal "loan serviceability criteria". Like zero dollars available.