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Related, I was struck by a comment made by the respiratory specialist doctor Martin Tobin, during the George Floyd murder court case. He said less than 10% of s

Related, I was struck by a comment made by the respiratory specialist doctor Martin Tobin, during the George Floyd murder court case. He said less than 10% of smokers actually go on to get 'issues'. He was pushing back on the line that as a smoker, George Floyd was more prone to react badly to 'having a knee on his windpipe...' you know the rest. I did rewind and listen again then look up what he was saying and indeed, my assumed knowledge of smoking was altered. Apologies for my vagueness with 'issues', I don't want to under or over state what he said and right now I can't locate the exact sentence within the days of testimony. This man... https://archive.is/x5MRY https://archive.is/x5MRY

IndySun 2y ago
For anyone curious, I found the relevant sentence. An astonishingly counterintuitive almost throwaway remark by a world's expert sent me on a deep dive on what else can and does cause lung problems. Dr Martin Tobin says it at 3h 02m 40s... https://www.c-span.org/video/?510467-1/derek-chauvin-trial-death-george-floyd-day-9-part-1 https://www.c-span.org/video/?510467-1/derek-chauvin-trial-d...
- alexeldeib 2y ago
  What was your takeaway? Any added insights/reading?
  - ikiris 2y ago
    Radon is scary, and surprisingly everywhere in some regions.
  - IndySun 2y ago
    I am aware there is a lot of complexity (obviously) in why people develop lung cancer, or any illness for that matter, but within that assumption was smoking being far worse than it actually is. Reading further, and this may also seem obvious written out in this simple form, the cancer numbers for people in homes using coal burning for cooking food varies hugely depending on the coal. And that the incidence of lung cancers in 'never-smokers' is rising rapidly globally.
- moi2388 2y ago
  He said that less than 10% of smokers HAVE lung issues, not “eventually get” lung issues. Big, big difference.
  - IndySun 2y ago
    Thanks for your input. You're rephrasing what I do say, but with capital letters. Not sure what your point is.
    - moi2388 2y ago
      No, you said “go on to get issues”, I said “have issues”. That is a difference. Removed capitalisation because I’m against capital punishment. /s
exitb 2y ago
10% aren’t low odds when it comes to health issues.

IndySun 2y ago

For anyone curious, I found the relevant sentence. An astonishingly counterintuitive almost throwaway remark by a world's expert sent me on a deep dive on what else can and does cause lung problems. Dr Martin Tobin says it at 3h 02m 40s... https://www.c-span.org/video/?510467-1/derek-chauvin-trial-death-george-floyd-day-9-part-1 https://www.c-span.org/video/?510467-1/derek-chauvin-trial-d...

alexeldeib 2y ago
What was your takeaway? Any added insights/reading?
- ikiris 2y ago
  Radon is scary, and surprisingly everywhere in some regions.
- IndySun 2y ago
  I am aware there is a lot of complexity (obviously) in why people develop lung cancer, or any illness for that matter, but within that assumption was smoking being far worse than it actually is. Reading further, and this may also seem obvious written out in this simple form, the cancer numbers for people in homes using coal burning for cooking food varies hugely depending on the coal. And that the incidence of lung cancers in 'never-smokers' is rising rapidly globally.
moi2388 2y ago
He said that less than 10% of smokers HAVE lung issues, not “eventually get” lung issues. Big, big difference.
- IndySun 2y ago
  Thanks for your input. You're rephrasing what I do say, but with capital letters. Not sure what your point is.
  - moi2388 2y ago
    No, you said “go on to get issues”, I said “have issues”. That is a difference. Removed capitalisation because I’m against capital punishment. /s

exitb 2y ago

10% aren’t low odds when it comes to health issues.