4 ms·

I always wonder what it would take for people to exit the Apple cult. Of all the evil behavior from Apple, I did not expect this to be the thing at least some

by lrvick 2y ago

I always wonder what it would take for people to exit the Apple cult. Of all the evil behavior from Apple, I did not expect this to be the thing at least some users find to be the last straw.

detourdog 2y ago
Some developers have a crazy attitude about what they should be able to do and what the customers want. I would guess that a good portion of Apple customers consistently choose Apple products to avoid the developer attitude above. The smugness is truly off-putting and unlikely to create a good customer experience. Somehow the developer feels enlightened and has taken on the mission of saving Apple customers. Apple customers can be quite technically literate and want a platform that keeps the developers at a distance. This is the feature one of the key features.
adamomada 2y ago
Exit to where? For very many people, it’s the least-worst option
- lrvick 2y ago
  Google is as bad or worse, but there are plenty of other choices. Run a FOSS tablet, or forgo using a phone at all. They really are optional. I have not carried a phone in years.
  - adamomada 2y ago
    There’s just so many things that have piled on the smartphone train that sometimes it is necessary. The recent blog about turning an iPhone into a dumb phone is realistically the best bet for a regular person - and if you do the sign in to iTunes / don’t sign in to iCloud, you get access to these (realistically. sometimes mandatory) apps
    - lrvick 2y ago
      It is never necessary. Never. Some entities pretend it is but there is always an undocumented alternative they wish people would not use, but oh well. No one can force you to have a smartphone to lead a productive life in the modern world. I run a Silicon Valley based tech company and not having a phone has never restricted me from doing anything.
matwood 2y ago
Using words like 'cult' and 'evil' I think says more about your bias than anything else.
- lrvick 2y ago
  Apple offers people an extended social graph, support, and great UX so long as they leave their freedoms at the door of the walled garden. They win people over with carefully crafted psychological manipulation. This is toxic behavior that stunts societal progress for money. That is like a cult in that it exploits peoples tribal nature to lock them in to an ecosystem for the gain of those at the top. I find that to be evil. I also find Microsoft, Google, and Meta to be just as bad if not worse, as well as all companies who emulate their behavior. We should be selling users services, useful tools without restrictions, increased freedom, increased privacy, and increased defense against centralized entities that may put them at risk for profit or power.

by lrvick 2y ago

I always wonder what it would take for people to exit the Apple cult. Of all the evil behavior from Apple, I did not expect this to be the thing at least some users find to be the last straw.

detourdog 2y ago

Some developers have a crazy attitude about what they should be able to do and what the customers want. I would guess that a good portion of Apple customers consistently choose Apple products to avoid the developer attitude above. The smugness is truly off-putting and unlikely to create a good customer experience. Somehow the developer feels enlightened and has taken on the mission of saving Apple customers. Apple customers can be quite technically literate and want a platform that keeps the developers at a distance. This is the feature one of the key features.

adamomada 2y ago

Exit to where? For very many people, it’s the least-worst option

lrvick 2y ago
Google is as bad or worse, but there are plenty of other choices. Run a FOSS tablet, or forgo using a phone at all. They really are optional. I have not carried a phone in years.
- adamomada 2y ago
  There’s just so many things that have piled on the smartphone train that sometimes it is necessary. The recent blog about turning an iPhone into a dumb phone is realistically the best bet for a regular person - and if you do the sign in to iTunes / don’t sign in to iCloud, you get access to these (realistically. sometimes mandatory) apps
  - lrvick 2y ago
    It is never necessary. Never. Some entities pretend it is but there is always an undocumented alternative they wish people would not use, but oh well. No one can force you to have a smartphone to lead a productive life in the modern world. I run a Silicon Valley based tech company and not having a phone has never restricted me from doing anything.

matwood 2y ago

Using words like 'cult' and 'evil' I think says more about your bias than anything else.

lrvick 2y ago
Apple offers people an extended social graph, support, and great UX so long as they leave their freedoms at the door of the walled garden. They win people over with carefully crafted psychological manipulation. This is toxic behavior that stunts societal progress for money. That is like a cult in that it exploits peoples tribal nature to lock them in to an ecosystem for the gain of those at the top. I find that to be evil. I also find Microsoft, Google, and Meta to be just as bad if not worse, as well as all companies who emulate their behavior. We should be selling users services, useful tools without restrictions, increased freedom, increased privacy, and increased defense against centralized entities that may put them at risk for profit or power.