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There had better be an option to disable any and all LLM tendrils in iOS or I'm going to probably end up throwing my iPhone into a lake. Call me a luddite or n

There had better be an option to disable any and all LLM tendrils in iOS or I'm going to probably end up throwing my iPhone into a lake. Call me a luddite or neo-amish or whatever, but IMO the entire feature set is cursed and I want nothing to do with it.

m463 2y ago
You want a local LLM. honestly, I hope regulation allows sideloading and alternative apps sometime soon. We need to firewall our devices from the accelerating pace of data snarfing.
- lrvick 2y ago
  No amount of regulation will ever get a corporate owned device to act in your best interests. It is a very very slow game of legal Whack A Mole and Apple has enough money to buy the best lawyers and politicians.
  - cqqxo4zV46cp 2y ago
    This is a pretty strongly worded lecture when you’re talking about something that hasn’t even happened yet.
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
- eviks 2y ago
  No, I want a way to remove any LLM. Though this is as likely add your regulation hope
- doublerabbit 2y ago
  It's why my iPhone is jailbroken so I can install a firewall. However I now stuck on 14 with no app support or upgrade to 17 and loose jailbreak and firewall. I missed the iOS 15 signing window.
  - illiac786 2y ago
    But doesn’t Apple make sure things break when specific processes cannot reach specific server?
    - doublerabbit 2y ago
      Not that I've found.
diggan 2y ago
Apple already force useless "assistants" on you, how is this different? For example, you can't use CarPlay with Siri disabled, even if you dont use Siri at all. Similarly, you cant disable ChatGPT training on your chat history without also disabling history in general. So to me this seems like a match made in heaven.
- Loic 2y ago
  In the data control of ChatGPT, you can now disable the use of your data for training: Model improvement Improve the model for everyone [ ] Allow your content to be used to train our models, which makes ChatGPT better for you and everyone who uses it. We take steps to protect your privacy. Learn more Still, I agree with the OP that all these ML/LLM should be on device. My mobile phone is very personal.
  - bayindirh 2y ago
    Are we absolutely positive that the cables for that switch is connected somewhere, anywhere*? *: Except a little LED which glows when you throw the switch.
- detourdog 2y ago
  Isn't Siri required for speech processing? I use voice control the most while in my car. Do you really just want to use the buttons? I can understand that could be the case but I never considered this.
  - diggan 2y ago
    > Isn't Siri required for speech processing? Probably, but I don't use it, only use my car buttons/dial for controlling CarPlay. The times I've tried the voice control it got maybe 50% of the instructions correct, which was more distracting than the muscle-learned buttons/dial control, so I keep using what works. If I was trying to use voice control, it'd make sense. But I don't, so it doesn't.
  - itscrush 2y ago
lrvick 2y ago
I always wonder what it would take for people to exit the Apple cult. Of all the evil behavior from Apple, I did not expect this to be the thing at least some users find to be the last straw.
- detourdog 2y ago
  Some developers have a crazy attitude about what they should be able to do and what the customers want. I would guess that a good portion of Apple customers consistently choose Apple products to avoid the developer attitude above. The smugness is truly off-putting and unlikely to create a good customer experience. Somehow the developer feels enlightened and has taken on the mission of saving Apple customers. Apple customers can be quite technically literate and want a platform that keeps the developers at a distance. This is the feature one of the key features.
- adamomada 2y ago
  Exit to where? For very many people, it’s the least-worst option
  - lrvick 2y ago
    Google is as bad or worse, but there are plenty of other choices. Run a FOSS tablet, or forgo using a phone at all. They really are optional. I have not carried a phone in years.
    - adamomada 2y ago
      There’s just so many things that have piled on the smartphone train that sometimes it is necessary. The recent blog about turning an iPhone into a dumb phone is realistically the best bet for a regular person - and if you do the sign in to iTunes / don’t sign in to iCloud, you get access to these (realistically. sometimes mandatory) apps
      - lrvick 2y ago
        It is never necessary. Never. Some entities pretend it is but there is always an undocumented alternative they wish people would not use, but oh well. No one can force you to have a smartphone to lead a productive life in the modern world. I run a Silicon Valley based tech company and not having a phone has never restricted me from doing anything.
cjk2 2y ago
I don't think it is cursed yet. Apple seem to be taking a very conservative approach to the whole AI and LLM thing and are externalising it to OpenAI so they can cast it off if it turns out to be a pile of crap. Where they are investing heavily is in some of the local on-device ML stuff which actually looks vaguely useful. And it's all standard classification, image processing and summarising stuff. All viable, not overhyped solutions. The photos.app contextual search thing is very useful already for example (even if it can't identify the difference between horses and cows very well). Think of the standard hype/maturity curve. Apple know how to play it.
- jafo1989 2y ago
  Don't be evil (yet).
Refusing23 2y ago
I agree its not something i'd want either but i see it could have a lot of potential benefits - especially on an iphone with multiple apps easily being able to communicate properly through this AI. and of course it can provide awesome benefits for disabled people - making their device much more capable than before (in their hands)
- illiac786 2y ago
  Oh no, AI used from inter-machine communication is a recipe for disaster in my view. AI it’s simply _not reliable_. You don’t want that for communication between machines…

m463 2y ago

You want a local LLM. honestly, I hope regulation allows sideloading and alternative apps sometime soon. We need to firewall our devices from the accelerating pace of data snarfing.

lrvick 2y ago
No amount of regulation will ever get a corporate owned device to act in your best interests. It is a very very slow game of legal Whack A Mole and Apple has enough money to buy the best lawyers and politicians.
- cqqxo4zV46cp 2y ago
  This is a pretty strongly worded lecture when you’re talking about something that hasn’t even happened yet.
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
eviks 2y ago
No, I want a way to remove any LLM. Though this is as likely add your regulation hope
doublerabbit 2y ago
It's why my iPhone is jailbroken so I can install a firewall. However I now stuck on 14 with no app support or upgrade to 17 and loose jailbreak and firewall. I missed the iOS 15 signing window.
- illiac786 2y ago
  But doesn’t Apple make sure things break when specific processes cannot reach specific server?
  - doublerabbit 2y ago
    Not that I've found.

diggan 2y ago

Apple already force useless "assistants" on you, how is this different? For example, you can't use CarPlay with Siri disabled, even if you dont use Siri at all. Similarly, you cant disable ChatGPT training on your chat history without also disabling history in general. So to me this seems like a match made in heaven.

Loic 2y ago
In the data control of ChatGPT, you can now disable the use of your data for training: Model improvement Improve the model for everyone [ ] Allow your content to be used to train our models, which makes ChatGPT better for you and everyone who uses it. We take steps to protect your privacy. Learn more Still, I agree with the OP that all these ML/LLM should be on device. My mobile phone is very personal.
- bayindirh 2y ago
  Are we absolutely positive that the cables for that switch is connected somewhere, anywhere*? *: Except a little LED which glows when you throw the switch.
detourdog 2y ago
Isn't Siri required for speech processing? I use voice control the most while in my car. Do you really just want to use the buttons? I can understand that could be the case but I never considered this.
- diggan 2y ago
  > Isn't Siri required for speech processing? Probably, but I don't use it, only use my car buttons/dial for controlling CarPlay. The times I've tried the voice control it got maybe 50% of the instructions correct, which was more distracting than the muscle-learned buttons/dial control, so I keep using what works. If I was trying to use voice control, it'd make sense. But I don't, so it doesn't.
- itscrush 2y ago

lrvick 2y ago

I always wonder what it would take for people to exit the Apple cult. Of all the evil behavior from Apple, I did not expect this to be the thing at least some users find to be the last straw.

detourdog 2y ago
Some developers have a crazy attitude about what they should be able to do and what the customers want. I would guess that a good portion of Apple customers consistently choose Apple products to avoid the developer attitude above. The smugness is truly off-putting and unlikely to create a good customer experience. Somehow the developer feels enlightened and has taken on the mission of saving Apple customers. Apple customers can be quite technically literate and want a platform that keeps the developers at a distance. This is the feature one of the key features.
adamomada 2y ago
Exit to where? For very many people, it’s the least-worst option
- lrvick 2y ago
  Google is as bad or worse, but there are plenty of other choices. Run a FOSS tablet, or forgo using a phone at all. They really are optional. I have not carried a phone in years.
  - adamomada 2y ago
    There’s just so many things that have piled on the smartphone train that sometimes it is necessary. The recent blog about turning an iPhone into a dumb phone is realistically the best bet for a regular person - and if you do the sign in to iTunes / don’t sign in to iCloud, you get access to these (realistically. sometimes mandatory) apps
    - lrvick 2y ago
      It is never necessary. Never. Some entities pretend it is but there is always an undocumented alternative they wish people would not use, but oh well. No one can force you to have a smartphone to lead a productive life in the modern world. I run a Silicon Valley based tech company and not having a phone has never restricted me from doing anything.

cjk2 2y ago

I don't think it is cursed yet. Apple seem to be taking a very conservative approach to the whole AI and LLM thing and are externalising it to OpenAI so they can cast it off if it turns out to be a pile of crap. Where they are investing heavily is in some of the local on-device ML stuff which actually looks vaguely useful. And it's all standard classification, image processing and summarising stuff. All viable, not overhyped solutions. The photos.app contextual search thing is very useful already for example (even if it can't identify the difference between horses and cows very well). Think of the standard hype/maturity curve. Apple know how to play it.

jafo1989 2y ago
Don't be evil (yet).

Refusing23 2y ago

I agree its not something i'd want either but i see it could have a lot of potential benefits - especially on an iphone with multiple apps easily being able to communicate properly through this AI. and of course it can provide awesome benefits for disabled people - making their device much more capable than before (in their hands)

illiac786 2y ago
Oh no, AI used from inter-machine communication is a recipe for disaster in my view. AI it’s simply _not reliable_. You don’t want that for communication between machines…