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I feel piracy offers a superior watching experience in all areas once you set it up. I guess the setup part is where Netflix is better?

umvi 2y ago
There's also that pesky thing called a conscience that makes people prefer legitimate sources first where possible even if the "watching experience" is inferior
- mindslight 2y ago
  If I was giving money to groups of attorneys so they can lobby for laws to persecute individuals, build locked down computing platforms, and generally work to destroy the open Internet, that would weigh pretty heavily on my conscience.
- robcohen 2y ago
  Personally, I have a conscience which informs me not supporting platforms. Why can’t I pay the artist directly, with no middlemen taking a cut? Distribution is easy. Put a QR code which links to some industry website that has crypto wallets for each of the artists involved on a project. I want my money to go to them directly. Until the day where artists start posting their wallet addresses, I’ll keep pirating. The guilds should really get on with being the equivalent of a Patreon.
  - philipwhiuk 2y ago
    Why a crypto wallet. Why not a normal bank account? What exactly, does crypto help with?
  - nozzlegear 2y ago
    I generally agree with what you’re saying, but in Netflix’s case, much of the stuff that’s actually worth watching is made by none other than Netflix.
  - jrflowers 2y ago
    This is a good point. I for one will not be watching the movie Atlas until I see bit coin wallet addresses for all 700+ people listed here: https://m.imdb.com/title/tt14856980/fullcredits/?ref_=tt_cl_sm https://m.imdb.com/title/tt14856980/fullcredits/?ref_=tt_cl_...
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- sattoshi 2y ago
  I just want to watch things without paying 5$ ppv or 100$ in combined subscriptions. Charge me $15/mo to watch what I want and they would have my money forever. I would never torrent again.
  - Seattle3503 2y ago
    Then do something else with your $15 a month. No one is entitled to content at their desired price.
    - Retric 2y ago
      Entitled no, but I don’t pirate and I don’t pay for streaming either because I simply don’t enjoy the product from any of them. If I haven’t watched anything in 3 months the value proposition just isn’t there so I cancel. Any yea I’ve cancelled every service because of that basic formula.
    - dzhiurgis 2y ago
      Why are you defending monopolies?
      - nomel 2y ago
        Are you claiming Netflix is a monopoly in streaming?
        dzhiurgis 2y ago
        Can I watch same show on any website of my choice? Can author really choose not to publish in top 3 streaming services?
  - nickff 2y ago
    One guy preferred the experience of using my car to getting his own, so he took it. I suppose it was convenient for him, and a lot cheaper than paying anyone, but I did not enjoy it. Many differentiate between goods which are not exclusive, but your argument doesn’t.
vundercind 2y ago
It’s not really cheap in time or money (hard drives cost money, if you want a good experience the server needs to be on basically all the time which costs meaningful amounts in energy use) but enough things can’t be had any other way that if I want them I’m gonna be doing that regardless… may as well get everything high-quality and in one interface, then. I would much, much rather just pay some reasonable amount to achieve similar results, but you literally can’t.
- tyingq 2y ago
  Maybe it wouldn't please some, but 1080p is good enough for me, and so a €14/month server from a seedbox provider with a 3TB drive is terrific. It has one click installers for Plex and all the various pirate tools. It's a little slow if transcoding, but again, good enough.
  - vundercind 2y ago
    I know there are more works out of the box piracy solutions—I meant that you can’t simply pay for a non-piracy “everything, including these 70 things that can’t actually be purchased at any price right now, in one streaming interface and high-quality”. It’s not an option. I see now that the way I phrased that was unclear.
    - tyingq 2y ago
      Ah, yes..I thought you were saying a high-end piracy setup is expensive[1], and it is. So I was trying to say a "good enough" one is cheap. [1] Though probably never as expensive as the sum of all the legal à la carte services for anything you might want to see.
- ClumsyPilot 2y ago
  A reasonable NAS these days is ~£400, with disk. A Netflix subscription is £17. Pays for itself in two years if you have no other services
  - 2y ago

umvi 2y ago

There's also that pesky thing called a conscience that makes people prefer legitimate sources first where possible even if the "watching experience" is inferior

mindslight 2y ago
If I was giving money to groups of attorneys so they can lobby for laws to persecute individuals, build locked down computing platforms, and generally work to destroy the open Internet, that would weigh pretty heavily on my conscience.
robcohen 2y ago
Personally, I have a conscience which informs me not supporting platforms. Why can’t I pay the artist directly, with no middlemen taking a cut? Distribution is easy. Put a QR code which links to some industry website that has crypto wallets for each of the artists involved on a project. I want my money to go to them directly. Until the day where artists start posting their wallet addresses, I’ll keep pirating. The guilds should really get on with being the equivalent of a Patreon.
- philipwhiuk 2y ago
  Why a crypto wallet. Why not a normal bank account? What exactly, does crypto help with?
- nozzlegear 2y ago
  I generally agree with what you’re saying, but in Netflix’s case, much of the stuff that’s actually worth watching is made by none other than Netflix.
- jrflowers 2y ago
  This is a good point. I for one will not be watching the movie Atlas until I see bit coin wallet addresses for all 700+ people listed here: https://m.imdb.com/title/tt14856980/fullcredits/?ref_=tt_cl_sm https://m.imdb.com/title/tt14856980/fullcredits/?ref_=tt_cl_...
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sattoshi 2y ago
I just want to watch things without paying 5$ ppv or 100$ in combined subscriptions. Charge me $15/mo to watch what I want and they would have my money forever. I would never torrent again.
- Seattle3503 2y ago
  Then do something else with your $15 a month. No one is entitled to content at their desired price.
  - Retric 2y ago
    Entitled no, but I don’t pirate and I don’t pay for streaming either because I simply don’t enjoy the product from any of them. If I haven’t watched anything in 3 months the value proposition just isn’t there so I cancel. Any yea I’ve cancelled every service because of that basic formula.
  - dzhiurgis 2y ago
    Why are you defending monopolies?
    - nomel 2y ago
      Are you claiming Netflix is a monopoly in streaming?
      - dzhiurgis 2y ago
        Can I watch same show on any website of my choice? Can author really choose not to publish in top 3 streaming services?
- nickff 2y ago
  One guy preferred the experience of using my car to getting his own, so he took it. I suppose it was convenient for him, and a lot cheaper than paying anyone, but I did not enjoy it. Many differentiate between goods which are not exclusive, but your argument doesn’t.

vundercind 2y ago

It’s not really cheap in time or money (hard drives cost money, if you want a good experience the server needs to be on basically all the time which costs meaningful amounts in energy use) but enough things can’t be had any other way that if I want them I’m gonna be doing that regardless… may as well get everything high-quality and in one interface, then. I would much, much rather just pay some reasonable amount to achieve similar results, but you literally can’t.

tyingq 2y ago
Maybe it wouldn't please some, but 1080p is good enough for me, and so a €14/month server from a seedbox provider with a 3TB drive is terrific. It has one click installers for Plex and all the various pirate tools. It's a little slow if transcoding, but again, good enough.
- vundercind 2y ago
  I know there are more works out of the box piracy solutions—I meant that you can’t simply pay for a non-piracy “everything, including these 70 things that can’t actually be purchased at any price right now, in one streaming interface and high-quality”. It’s not an option. I see now that the way I phrased that was unclear.
  - tyingq 2y ago
    Ah, yes..I thought you were saying a high-end piracy setup is expensive[1], and it is. So I was trying to say a "good enough" one is cheap. [1] Though probably never as expensive as the sum of all the legal à la carte services for anything you might want to see.
ClumsyPilot 2y ago
A reasonable NAS these days is ~£400, with disk. A Netflix subscription is £17. Pays for itself in two years if you have no other services
- 2y ago