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What a humanity fail that stuff like this is happening.
by mirekrusin 2y ago
What a humanity fail that stuff like this is happening.
- mschuster91 2y ago[flagged]
- lionkor 2y ago[flagged]
- juliushuijnk 2y agoThe invading country is as much at fault as the country being invaded? So I guess someone can claim a room in your house, and you should then negotiate.
- lionkor 2y agothe conflict did not start with invasion
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- Luc 2y agoShameful opinion.
- lionkor 2y agoI don't really get that; did you try to understand my current before commenting, like the HN guidelines suggest? You seem to assume the worst and seem to be disregarding my opinion because of that
- V__ 2y ago"The rape victim never accepted a peaceful surrender to the rapist, she is just as much at fault." This is how you sound.
- lionkor 2y agoIt seems disingenuous to compare a complex war with multiple participants and over more than 10 years with something as clearly one sided as rape
- lawn 2y agoWhat a stupid and ignorant take. Russia is invading, murdering, torturing and committing genocide. The only thing a "peaceful resolution" would accomplish is: 1. Show Russia that aggression is profitable. 2. Give Russia time and opportunity to prepare for the next attack. Russia doesn't give a rats ass about any promises they make and they can and will break every single one of them if they can profit from it.
- lionkor 2y agoare you ignoring years of conflict before the invasion on purpose, to help your argument?
- throw38228374 2y agoWe already have dozens of military bases surrounding China. There's not much more to do since China is not currently attacking foreign soil.
- victorbjorklund 2y agoThey are indeed violating other countries waters though.
- dgoldstein0 2y agoAnd how would you propose deterring them from doing this while also avoiding escalation?
- wood_spirit 2y agoIsn’t history showing that letting aggressors nibble away at norms and borders and letting them get away with it ‘to avoid escalation’ is just emboldening the aggressor? Peace in our time.
- waffleiron 2y agoSo countries should have attacked the US when it committed it's illegal wars in the middle east, to stop emboldening the aggressor? I don't think that would have created a better world. It's easy to say things like this about your geopolitical enemies, but allies get away with it all the time.
- ajuc 2y agoSanctioning US back then would be interesting. BTW war in Afghanistan wasn't illegal.
- pydry 2y agoSanctions barely work even if you ARE the world hegemon. In Iraq they just made Saddam's position even more secure while killing a million children. Aginst Russia they backfired spectacularly because Putin had prepared better for the sanctions contingency than Europe did. I'm struggling to think of an example where they actually led to the desired outcome.
- smolder 2y agoWhat would you do? Install a favorable dictator? Thanks to warmongering there isn't much of a diplomatic route to peace where we still need it. Petty ulterior motives held by world 'leaders' have made it hard.
- mciancia 2y agoA ton more sanctions, becoming less dependand on russian oil and gas, killing nordstream. But in 2014, not 2022. Probably would have helped
- jakjak123 2y agoSome form of action should have been taken when they invaded Crimea in 2014 and Georgia 2008. But even in retrospect its hard to say what except shutting down Nordstream and stopping investments. I still find it difficult for Europe to accept going to war with Russia over Crimea, but I guess this timeline is worse. Sanctions has limits, like we see with North Korea and Venezuela. The worst part of this timeline is that we guarantee that the only way a autocrat is safe, is when he has nukes.
- ivan_gammel 2y agoIn 2024 it’s pretty clear that sanctions ag
- 5e92cb50239222b 2y agoWell, the EU could have put a ban on selling riot control gear to Putin's forces back in 2012 when he used it to suppress massive pro-democracy protests in Moscow, not in October of 2022 like they actually did. This set the tone for everything that happened afterwards. I said this already under a (now flagged and dead) comment, but it's worth repeating — "your" (not your personally) one-sided propaganda and continuing support for Putin (if indirect) have made "you" lose whatever anti-war and pro-West opposition there was in Russia. I only wish we'd seen how convenient Putin is for "the West" a decade earlier. This was particularly obvious in June 2023 during the short and failed putsch of Wagner PMC. If you care at all, you can dig into my comment history from the beginning of 2022 and see how my own opinion has changed. It's a pretty typical example, I think. https://russiafossiltracker.com https://russiafossiltracker.com
- yard2010 2y agoSo does hitler. Every century we have that specific shitty decade with these specific evil shitheads
- GordonS 2y ago[flagged]
- mschuster91 2y ago> And please stop spreading anti-Chinese sentiment - it's bordering on racism. When was the last time China invaded another country? What are they actually doing wrong on the world stage, other than being more economically powerful than the US? There's boatloads of evidence of Chinese fishing fleet fishing illegally (and way too much) even as far away as Africa [1]. Then there's the constant saber rattling around Taiwan, going as far as to "punish" Taiwan for having a clean, fair election just recently. And then there's the territorial takeover of Philippine land [2]. [1] https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2024/04/11/chinas-fishing-fleet-is-causing-havoc-off-africas-coasts https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2024/04/11/... [2] https://fsi.gov.ph/philippines-china-relations-beyond-the-territoral-disputes/ https://fsi.gov.ph/philippines-china-relations-beyond-the-te...
- GordonS 2y agoChina is hardly unique in fishing waters they aren't meant to. Plenty European countries, including France and Spain, have been doing that kind of thing for decades. But the west isn't (literally!) up in arms over that; all the anti-Chinese rhetoric spewed forth by the five eyes is transparent BS, likely designed to manufacture domestic support for when the US decides China needs some "good ole US democracy". China building small bases in disputed territory is slightly concerning, but given how the US builds bases all over the world, it feels deeply hypocritical for the US to complain about China enhancing it's defencive posture - especially with all the anti-Chinese sentiment coming from US Congress. BTW, I liked your "boatloads" pun :)
- IsTom 2y agoThere was a peace deal before (Minsk agreement). Agreements with Russia are not worth the paper they're signed on. Any peace deal Putin is willing to sign is just to consolidate his gains and get more time to prepare for another attack.
- onethought 2y agoOr “we should have stopped the US”?
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