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Damn that last sentence is depressing. What keeps you going?

hypeatei 2y ago
> What keeps you going? At this point, my biological urge to stay alive. Other things interest me like new game releases or OSS projects but I wouldn't say that there is anything that makes me look forward to waking up.
- rrgok 2y ago
  Yep, can absolutely relate.
- NayamAmarshe 2y ago
  I'd ask you to look for a deeper purpose. Purpose that goes beyond your individual self (the ego), your family, your society, your nation. The Bhagavad Gita explains that this material existence is basically like a prison. We're all doing our time so you're right about it. The Bhagavad Gita gives a beautiful analogy. It says, as you go from childhood to adulthood, your body is changing constantly but the identity or the self remains the same. Have you ever thought about it how strange it is? You don't go from identifying as John to James, but the body, each cell in the body is replaced multiple times throughout your lifetime. The consciousness remains the same, the "I" remains there. It says that we're born out of karma (action and fruits of actions). The consciousness is eternal (always is, never is not), the material nature is not (as evident, has a beginning and an end). So it asks you to look deeper into the Self. Inquire what is it that you're here for and what you're made of. The idea that the whole universe was made just so you could work and die, is born out of a feeble mindset, forced by an extremely materialistic society. You can go deeper and find something invaluable. Read into philosophy (not the depressing kind), read books like the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali, Bhagavad Gita, Upanishadas. Learn about sāṁkhya, nyāya, vedānta. It can give your life a whole new meaning and direction. It doesn't have to be this way, your current mental imprints want you to believe there's nothing beyond this life, nothing beyond who you are. If there's nothing that makes you look forward to waking up, then that just means you have to look for it, instead of it being handed to you. If there really is nothing to look forward to, there's no harm in giving this wildly different life-changing thing a try. Some links to get you started if you're interested: - https://youtu.be/mj7FIfBLWYA https://youtu.be/mj7FIfBLWYA - https://sites.rutgers.edu/edwin-bryant/nyaya-sutras-svadhaya/ https://sites.rutgers.edu/edwin-bryant/nyaya-sutras-svadhaya... - https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8vj9lw https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8vj9lw - https://sites.rutgers.edu/edwin-bryant/yoga-sutras/ https://sites.rutgers.edu/edwin-bryant/yoga-sutras/
  - rrgok 2y ago
    The same Bhagavad Gita says that everything has a beginning and an end: consciousness too by that logic. Even the gods, including Vishnu/Krishna, during Maha Pralay get destroyed and rebuilt. There is no escape for anything. Ethernal consciousness is an illusion.
    - NayamAmarshe 2y ago
      > The same Bhagavad Gita says that everything has a beginning and an end I can tell that you have not read the Gita. It never says such a thing. You're confusing the material nature with the nature of the Self. 2.12: Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be. 2.16 Those who are seers of the truth have concluded that of the nonexistent [the material body] there is no endurance and of the eternal [the Self] there is no change. This they have concluded by studying the nature of both. 2.17:That which pervades the entire body you should know to be indestructible. No one is able to destroy that imperishable Self. 2.18: The material body of the indestructible, immeasurable and eternal living entity is sure to come to an end. 8.20: Yet there is another unmanifest nature, which is eternal and is transcendental to this manifested and unmanifested matter. It is supreme and is never annihilated. When all in this world is annihilated, that part remains as it is. 13.27: O chief of the Bhāratas, know that whatever you see in existence, both the moving and the nonmoving, is only a combination of the field of activities and the knower of the field. 13.33: The sky, due to its subtle nature, does not mix with anything, although it is all-pervading. Similarly, the soul situated in Brahman vision does not mix with the body, though situated in that body. https://youtu.be/dPGTqG8raCw https://youtu.be/dPGTqG8raCw
      - rrgok 2y ago
        I was referring to the phrase you wrote "...The consciousness is eternal..." None of the verse you cite says that that indestructible thing is the consciousness. That's what I was referring to. For everything that has an opposite, there would be a beginning and an end: consciousness vs unconsciousness; happiness vs sadness... . Could be something else beyond consciousness? Even if there is something eternal, then that also has an ending, because in my experience that doesn't exist now, hence it has ended. It may come back, but doesn't mean it is eternal. Something that comes and goes means that is not eternal: it is changing too.

> What keeps you going? At this point, my biological urge to stay alive. Other things interest me like new game releases or OSS projects but I wouldn't say that there is anything that makes me look forward to waking up.

rrgok 2y ago
Yep, can absolutely relate.
NayamAmarshe 2y ago
I'd ask you to look for a deeper purpose. Purpose that goes beyond your individual self (the ego), your family, your society, your nation. The Bhagavad Gita explains that this material existence is basically like a prison. We're all doing our time so you're right about it. The Bhagavad Gita gives a beautiful analogy. It says, as you go from childhood to adulthood, your body is changing constantly but the identity or the self remains the same. Have you ever thought about it how strange it is? You don't go from identifying as John to James, but the body, each cell in the body is replaced multiple times throughout your lifetime. The consciousness remains the same, the "I" remains there. It says that we're born out of karma (action and fruits of actions). The consciousness is eternal (always is, never is not), the material nature is not (as evident, has a beginning and an end). So it asks you to look deeper into the Self. Inquire what is it that you're here for and what you're made of. The idea that the whole universe was made just so you could work and die, is born out of a feeble mindset, forced by an extremely materialistic society. You can go deeper and find something invaluable. Read into philosophy (not the depressing kind), read books like the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali, Bhagavad Gita, Upanishadas. Learn about sāṁkhya, nyāya, vedānta. It can give your life a whole new meaning and direction. It doesn't have to be this way, your current mental imprints want you to believe there's nothing beyond this life, nothing beyond who you are. If there's nothing that makes you look forward to waking up, then that just means you have to look for it, instead of it being handed to you. If there really is nothing to look forward to, there's no harm in giving this wildly different life-changing thing a try. Some links to get you started if you're interested: - https://youtu.be/mj7FIfBLWYA https://youtu.be/mj7FIfBLWYA - https://sites.rutgers.edu/edwin-bryant/nyaya-sutras-svadhaya/ https://sites.rutgers.edu/edwin-bryant/nyaya-sutras-svadhaya... - https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8vj9lw https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8vj9lw - https://sites.rutgers.edu/edwin-bryant/yoga-sutras/ https://sites.rutgers.edu/edwin-bryant/yoga-sutras/
- rrgok 2y ago
  The same Bhagavad Gita says that everything has a beginning and an end: consciousness too by that logic. Even the gods, including Vishnu/Krishna, during Maha Pralay get destroyed and rebuilt. There is no escape for anything. Ethernal consciousness is an illusion.
  - NayamAmarshe 2y ago
    > The same Bhagavad Gita says that everything has a beginning and an end I can tell that you have not read the Gita. It never says such a thing. You're confusing the material nature with the nature of the Self. 2.12: Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be. 2.16 Those who are seers of the truth have concluded that of the nonexistent [the material body] there is no endurance and of the eternal [the Self] there is no change. This they have concluded by studying the nature of both. 2.17:That which pervades the entire body you should know to be indestructible. No one is able to destroy that imperishable Self. 2.18: The material body of the indestructible, immeasurable and eternal living entity is sure to come to an end. 8.20: Yet there is another unmanifest nature, which is eternal and is transcendental to this manifested and unmanifested matter. It is supreme and is never annihilated. When all in this world is annihilated, that part remains as it is. 13.27: O chief of the Bhāratas, know that whatever you see in existence, both the moving and the nonmoving, is only a combination of the field of activities and the knower of the field. 13.33: The sky, due to its subtle nature, does not mix with anything, although it is all-pervading. Similarly, the soul situated in Brahman vision does not mix with the body, though situated in that body. https://youtu.be/dPGTqG8raCw https://youtu.be/dPGTqG8raCw
    - rrgok 2y ago
      I was referring to the phrase you wrote "...The consciousness is eternal..." None of the verse you cite says that that indestructible thing is the consciousness. That's what I was referring to. For everything that has an opposite, there would be a beginning and an end: consciousness vs unconsciousness; happiness vs sadness... . Could be something else beyond consciousness? Even if there is something eternal, then that also has an ending, because in my experience that doesn't exist now, hence it has ended. It may come back, but doesn't mean it is eternal. Something that comes and goes means that is not eternal: it is changing too.