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Rather ironic, although I don't understand why you would want to drink/legalize raw milk.

by ambigious7777 2y ago

UberFly 2y ago
Because raw milk shouldn't be a controlled substance like cocaine.
- EA-3167 2y ago
  Is it Schedule I on the DEA list? If not then I don't understand the comparison.
  - UberFly 2y ago
    Milk that enters the food supply from a diary farm to retailers should absolutely be pasteurized, but farms shouldn't be raided by state police if someone wants to accept the risks and come purchase raw milk for whatever reason.
    - EA-3167 2y ago
      When it comes to getting sick yourself, sure that's reasonable enough. Right now though we have H1N1 in the milk supply, so no I'm not really willing to accept another pandemic. Your freedoms and my freedoms are balanced in tension against each other, and something like a pandemic virus that you can get from raw milk and then spread tips the scales away from your freedoms. Simple.
erikaww 2y ago
Why wouldn’t you? I surely wouldn’t drink it but I don’t mind if it’s legal. It’s America baby. If someone consensually drinks raw milk and gets sick, that’s on them. If a parent makes their kid drink that and the kid gets sick, that is potentially child abuse. I think the main concern here is some undereducated or easily buying into conspiracy theories/conservative individuals would feed their kids raw milk. There are lots of things that are not good you that parents give their children and they are totally legal. I think debating this or trying to fight against it is a waste of time rather than bigger issues.
FrustratedMonky 2y ago
It's a fad from those wanting to eat like ancient man. But because it is a regulation, it has also become a call for "FREEEEEeeeeeddoooomm". Who cares about germs? Really, people are free to not wash their hands either, but it isn't the smartest thing to do. 100 Years ago when the lack of food safety was killing a lot of people, there was an outcry for laws. Now, laws are viewed as bad, just let me kill myself if I want to.
- lurking15 2y ago
  > it has also become a call for "FREEEEEeeeeeddoooomm" it's also become a call for "us smart people must outlaw the stupid people" > Now, laws are viewed as bad, just let me kill myself if I want to on the other hand, isn't europe sophisticated and progressive for legalizing suicide?
  - FrustratedMonky 2y ago
    Guess it's intention. If you 'choose' to die. Fine. Drinking raw milk is more like walking into traffic without looking, maybe you get hit, maybe not, maybe you are injured, maybe dead, maybe your ok. Yes, a lot of regulations are about protecting stupid people. But also to save some time, not everyone is going to have testing kits laying around and analyzing everything they eat. That would be horribly inefficient to make everyone do their own food testing before they can eat. Sure, smart people can be extra careful, but do you want to have to be extra careful with everything, just in case you are grabbing a grenade every time you open the fridge.
    - lurking15 2y ago
      > Drinking raw milk is more like walking into traffic without looking, maybe you get hit, maybe not, maybe you are injured, maybe dead, maybe your ok. The risk is so vanishingly small compared to traffic deaths that what you’re saying is nothing more than anti-science misinformation. What’s the rate of deaths or injury?
      - 2y ago
ImJamal 2y ago
Why would you want to ban it?
- Arnt 2y ago
  It requires more care than people expect, so in a sense it's a trouble magnet.
  - ImJamal 2y ago
    Plenty of things require a lot of care and sometimes more than people expect. Where do you draw the line? Should we ban raw meat? Plenty of people get salmonella after all. According to the CDC[1] > CDC estimates Salmonella bacteria cause about 1.35 million infections, 26,500 hospitalizations, and 420 deaths in the United States every year. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/salmonella/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/salmonella/index.html
orwin 2y ago
I mean, hopefully it's legal to buy raw milk in my country (we payed cash so i don't really know), but i totally understand why you would buy raw milk: home-pasteurized milk taste way better than supermarket milk or even farmer's market milk. And you get to keep the creme. Drinking it though? no thanks.
- Arnt 2y ago
  I drink it. The drink-by date is best measured in hours. If you're used to keeping milk around for months, raw milk is not for you. It's great, but treat it sloppily and you'll suffer, and you don't have to be very sloppy.

Rather ironic, although I don't understand why you would want to drink/legalize raw milk.

UberFly 2y ago

Because raw milk shouldn't be a controlled substance like cocaine.

EA-3167 2y ago
Is it Schedule I on the DEA list? If not then I don't understand the comparison.
- UberFly 2y ago
  Milk that enters the food supply from a diary farm to retailers should absolutely be pasteurized, but farms shouldn't be raided by state police if someone wants to accept the risks and come purchase raw milk for whatever reason.
  - EA-3167 2y ago
    When it comes to getting sick yourself, sure that's reasonable enough. Right now though we have H1N1 in the milk supply, so no I'm not really willing to accept another pandemic. Your freedoms and my freedoms are balanced in tension against each other, and something like a pandemic virus that you can get from raw milk and then spread tips the scales away from your freedoms. Simple.

erikaww 2y ago

Why wouldn’t you? I surely wouldn’t drink it but I don’t mind if it’s legal. It’s America baby. If someone consensually drinks raw milk and gets sick, that’s on them. If a parent makes their kid drink that and the kid gets sick, that is potentially child abuse. I think the main concern here is some undereducated or easily buying into conspiracy theories/conservative individuals would feed their kids raw milk. There are lots of things that are not good you that parents give their children and they are totally legal. I think debating this or trying to fight against it is a waste of time rather than bigger issues.

FrustratedMonky 2y ago

It's a fad from those wanting to eat like ancient man. But because it is a regulation, it has also become a call for "FREEEEEeeeeeddoooomm". Who cares about germs? Really, people are free to not wash their hands either, but it isn't the smartest thing to do. 100 Years ago when the lack of food safety was killing a lot of people, there was an outcry for laws. Now, laws are viewed as bad, just let me kill myself if I want to.

lurking15 2y ago
> it has also become a call for "FREEEEEeeeeeddoooomm" it's also become a call for "us smart people must outlaw the stupid people" > Now, laws are viewed as bad, just let me kill myself if I want to on the other hand, isn't europe sophisticated and progressive for legalizing suicide?
- FrustratedMonky 2y ago
  Guess it's intention. If you 'choose' to die. Fine. Drinking raw milk is more like walking into traffic without looking, maybe you get hit, maybe not, maybe you are injured, maybe dead, maybe your ok. Yes, a lot of regulations are about protecting stupid people. But also to save some time, not everyone is going to have testing kits laying around and analyzing everything they eat. That would be horribly inefficient to make everyone do their own food testing before they can eat. Sure, smart people can be extra careful, but do you want to have to be extra careful with everything, just in case you are grabbing a grenade every time you open the fridge.
  - lurking15 2y ago
    > Drinking raw milk is more like walking into traffic without looking, maybe you get hit, maybe not, maybe you are injured, maybe dead, maybe your ok. The risk is so vanishingly small compared to traffic deaths that what you’re saying is nothing more than anti-science misinformation. What’s the rate of deaths or injury?
    - 2y ago

ImJamal 2y ago

Why would you want to ban it?

Arnt 2y ago
It requires more care than people expect, so in a sense it's a trouble magnet.
- ImJamal 2y ago
  Plenty of things require a lot of care and sometimes more than people expect. Where do you draw the line? Should we ban raw meat? Plenty of people get salmonella after all. According to the CDC[1] > CDC estimates Salmonella bacteria cause about 1.35 million infections, 26,500 hospitalizations, and 420 deaths in the United States every year. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/salmonella/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/salmonella/index.html

orwin 2y ago

I mean, hopefully it's legal to buy raw milk in my country (we payed cash so i don't really know), but i totally understand why you would buy raw milk: home-pasteurized milk taste way better than supermarket milk or even farmer's market milk. And you get to keep the creme. Drinking it though? no thanks.

Arnt 2y ago
I drink it. The drink-by date is best measured in hours. If you're used to keeping milk around for months, raw milk is not for you. It's great, but treat it sloppily and you'll suffer, and you don't have to be very sloppy.