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Politicians fall sick after drinking raw milk to celebrate legalising raw milk (2016)

22 points by ripjaygn 2y ago

ambigious7777 2y ago
Rather ironic, although I don't understand why you would want to drink/legalize raw milk.
- UberFly 2y ago
  Because raw milk shouldn't be a controlled substance like cocaine.
  - EA-3167 2y ago
    Is it Schedule I on the DEA list? If not then I don't understand the comparison.
    - UberFly 2y ago
      Milk that enters the food supply from a diary farm to retailers should absolutely be pasteurized, but farms shouldn't be raided by state police if someone wants to accept the risks and come purchase raw milk for whatever reason.
      - EA-3167 2y ago
        When it comes to getting sick yourself, sure that's reasonable enough. Right now though we have H1N1 in the milk supply, so no I'm not really willing to accept another pandemic. Your freedoms and my freedoms are balanced in tension against each other, and something like a pandemic virus that you can get from raw milk and then spread tips the scales away from your freedoms. Simple.
- erikaww 2y ago
  Why wouldn’t you? I surely wouldn’t drink it but I don’t mind if it’s legal. It’s America baby. If someone consensually drinks raw milk and gets sick, that’s on them. If a parent makes their kid drink that and the kid gets sick, that is potentially child abuse. I think the main concern here is some undereducated or easily buying into conspiracy theories/conservative individuals would feed their kids raw milk. There are lots of things that are not good you that parents give their children and they are totally legal. I think debating this or trying to fight against it is a waste of time rather than bigger issues.
- FrustratedMonky 2y ago
  It's a fad from those wanting to eat like ancient man. But because it is a regulation, it has also become a call for "FREEEEEeeeeeddoooomm". Who cares about germs? Really, people are free to not wash their hands either, but it isn't the smartest thing to do. 100 Years ago when the lack of food safety was killing a lot of people, there was an outcry for laws. Now, laws are viewed as bad, just let me kill myself if I want to.
  - lurking15 2y ago
    > it has also become a call for "FREEEEEeeeeeddoooomm" it's also become a call for "us smart people must outlaw the stupid people" > Now, laws are viewed as bad, just let me kill myself if I want to on the other hand, isn't europe sophisticated and progressive for legalizing suicide?
    - FrustratedMonky 2y ago
      Guess it's intention. If you 'choose' to die. Fine. Drinking raw milk is more like walking into traffic without looking, maybe you get hit, maybe not, maybe you are injured, maybe dead, maybe your ok. Yes, a lot of regulations are about protecting stupid people. But also to save some time, not everyone is going to have testing kits laying around and analyzing everything they eat. That would be horribly inefficient to make everyone do their own food testing before they can eat. Sure, smart people can be extra careful, but do you want to have to be extra careful with everything, just in case you are grabbing a grenade every time you open the fridge.
      - lurking15 2y ago
        > Drinking raw milk is more like walking into traffic without looking, maybe you get hit, maybe not, maybe you are injured, maybe dead, maybe your ok. The risk is so vanishingly small compared to traffic deaths that what you’re saying is nothing more than anti-science misinformation. What’s the rate of deaths or injury?
        2y ago
- ImJamal 2y ago
  Why would you want to ban it?
  - Arnt 2y ago
    It requires more care than people expect, so in a sense it's a trouble magnet.
    - ImJamal 2y ago
      Plenty of things require a lot of care and sometimes more than people expect. Where do you draw the line? Should we ban raw meat? Plenty of people get salmonella after all. According to the CDC[1] > CDC estimates Salmonella bacteria cause about 1.35 million infections, 26,500 hospitalizations, and 420 deaths in the United States every year. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/salmonella/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/salmonella/index.html
- orwin 2y ago
  I mean, hopefully it's legal to buy raw milk in my country (we payed cash so i don't really know), but i totally understand why you would buy raw milk: home-pasteurized milk taste way better than supermarket milk or even farmer's market milk. And you get to keep the creme. Drinking it though? no thanks.
  - Arnt 2y ago
    I drink it. The drink-by date is best measured in hours. If you're used to keeping milk around for months, raw milk is not for you. It's great, but treat it sloppily and you'll suffer, and you don't have to be very sloppy.
akira2501 2y ago
"Thursday 10 March 2016" What's worse than useless journalism is 8 year old useless journalism. This story has revealed nothing and is designed to allow either side of a contentious issue to feel superior to the other without actually resolving anything. What was the point of digging this up and posting it today, ripjaygn?
- EA-3167 2y ago
  > What was the point of digging this up and posting it today, ripjaygn? No doubt it's related to the stories about H1N1 in raw milk remaining active and dangerous. https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2024/05/25/g-s1-460/bird-flu-virus-raw-milk-safety https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2024/05/25/g-... And the typically human reaction to being told that something is dangerous by untrusted authorities. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/raw-milk-sales-spike-despite-cdcs-warnings-of-risk-associated-with-bird-flu https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/raw-milk-sales-spike-des... At this point I'm starting to think that we can kill two birds with one stone, and have the government announce that gravity can kill you if you fall off a bridge, and then just wait for some people to take that bet and lose.
- pwg 2y ago
  Best benefit of the doubt: @ripjaygn did not notice the date (it is dim grey and small size, so could be easily overlooked) and @ripjaygn may one of today's 10,000: https://xkcd.com/1053/ https://xkcd.com/1053/.
atomicnumber3 2y ago
Ignoring the necropost in the OP, I want to take this space to point out that if you want to live like it's Little House on the Prairie, you may discover that people had diarrhea more often than you'd like to think back then. And there's probably a factor of your gut not being used to such diverse flora, as well. I guess whatever makes them feel better while they're sitting on the porcelain throne.
- nikolay 2y ago
  Diarrhea is still pretty common - IBS, SIBO, and a plethora of other proofs for the Hygiene Hypothesis and right in front of our eyes. My kids have been drinking raw milk for over 15 years from RAWFARM [0] - never had issues. It's the best milk we've ever had. In fact, we've had spoiled pasteurized milk, and there's always been great until the expiry date, of course. [0]: https://rawfarmusa.com/ https://rawfarmusa.com/
IndrekR 2y ago
(2016) Also covered a while ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30808990 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30808990
bunewis 2y ago
Regardless of what caused it, it’s definitely hilarious
ImAnAmateur 2y ago
The local news article linked inside has some more details. https://www.wsaz.com/content/news/Anonymous-tip-claims-raw-milk-caused-illnesses-at-Capitol-371487251.html https://www.wsaz.com/content/news/Anonymous-tip-claims-raw-m... I think it still might be illegal to "distribute" raw milk? After all this time, I wonder what the current state laws in West Virginia about this are.
- andreasley 2y ago
  Actually, the sale of raw milk in West Virginia will become legal in June 2024. More details: https://wvpublic.org/raw-milk-sales-legal-in-w-va-as-avian-flu-cases-in-cattle-rise/ https://wvpublic.org/raw-milk-sales-legal-in-w-va-as-avian-f...
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johnea 2y ago
"There definitely shouldn't be a law against allowing people to do what they want within the framework of the rule of law," Mr McGeehan added. It may be 8 years old, but this is still a gem of null-speak...

22 points by ripjaygn 2y ago

ambigious7777 2y ago

Rather ironic, although I don't understand why you would want to drink/legalize raw milk.

UberFly 2y ago
Because raw milk shouldn't be a controlled substance like cocaine.
- EA-3167 2y ago
  Is it Schedule I on the DEA list? If not then I don't understand the comparison.
  - UberFly 2y ago
    Milk that enters the food supply from a diary farm to retailers should absolutely be pasteurized, but farms shouldn't be raided by state police if someone wants to accept the risks and come purchase raw milk for whatever reason.
    - EA-3167 2y ago
      When it comes to getting sick yourself, sure that's reasonable enough. Right now though we have H1N1 in the milk supply, so no I'm not really willing to accept another pandemic. Your freedoms and my freedoms are balanced in tension against each other, and something like a pandemic virus that you can get from raw milk and then spread tips the scales away from your freedoms. Simple.
erikaww 2y ago
Why wouldn’t you? I surely wouldn’t drink it but I don’t mind if it’s legal. It’s America baby. If someone consensually drinks raw milk and gets sick, that’s on them. If a parent makes their kid drink that and the kid gets sick, that is potentially child abuse. I think the main concern here is some undereducated or easily buying into conspiracy theories/conservative individuals would feed their kids raw milk. There are lots of things that are not good you that parents give their children and they are totally legal. I think debating this or trying to fight against it is a waste of time rather than bigger issues.
FrustratedMonky 2y ago
It's a fad from those wanting to eat like ancient man. But because it is a regulation, it has also become a call for "FREEEEEeeeeeddoooomm". Who cares about germs? Really, people are free to not wash their hands either, but it isn't the smartest thing to do. 100 Years ago when the lack of food safety was killing a lot of people, there was an outcry for laws. Now, laws are viewed as bad, just let me kill myself if I want to.
- lurking15 2y ago
  > it has also become a call for "FREEEEEeeeeeddoooomm" it's also become a call for "us smart people must outlaw the stupid people" > Now, laws are viewed as bad, just let me kill myself if I want to on the other hand, isn't europe sophisticated and progressive for legalizing suicide?
  - FrustratedMonky 2y ago
    Guess it's intention. If you 'choose' to die. Fine. Drinking raw milk is more like walking into traffic without looking, maybe you get hit, maybe not, maybe you are injured, maybe dead, maybe your ok. Yes, a lot of regulations are about protecting stupid people. But also to save some time, not everyone is going to have testing kits laying around and analyzing everything they eat. That would be horribly inefficient to make everyone do their own food testing before they can eat. Sure, smart people can be extra careful, but do you want to have to be extra careful with everything, just in case you are grabbing a grenade every time you open the fridge.
    - lurking15 2y ago
      > Drinking raw milk is more like walking into traffic without looking, maybe you get hit, maybe not, maybe you are injured, maybe dead, maybe your ok. The risk is so vanishingly small compared to traffic deaths that what you’re saying is nothing more than anti-science misinformation. What’s the rate of deaths or injury?
      - 2y ago
ImJamal 2y ago
Why would you want to ban it?
- Arnt 2y ago
  It requires more care than people expect, so in a sense it's a trouble magnet.
  - ImJamal 2y ago
    Plenty of things require a lot of care and sometimes more than people expect. Where do you draw the line? Should we ban raw meat? Plenty of people get salmonella after all. According to the CDC[1] > CDC estimates Salmonella bacteria cause about 1.35 million infections, 26,500 hospitalizations, and 420 deaths in the United States every year. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/salmonella/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/salmonella/index.html
orwin 2y ago
I mean, hopefully it's legal to buy raw milk in my country (we payed cash so i don't really know), but i totally understand why you would buy raw milk: home-pasteurized milk taste way better than supermarket milk or even farmer's market milk. And you get to keep the creme. Drinking it though? no thanks.
- Arnt 2y ago
  I drink it. The drink-by date is best measured in hours. If you're used to keeping milk around for months, raw milk is not for you. It's great, but treat it sloppily and you'll suffer, and you don't have to be very sloppy.

akira2501 2y ago

"Thursday 10 March 2016" What's worse than useless journalism is 8 year old useless journalism. This story has revealed nothing and is designed to allow either side of a contentious issue to feel superior to the other without actually resolving anything. What was the point of digging this up and posting it today, ripjaygn?

EA-3167 2y ago
> What was the point of digging this up and posting it today, ripjaygn? No doubt it's related to the stories about H1N1 in raw milk remaining active and dangerous. https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2024/05/25/g-s1-460/bird-flu-virus-raw-milk-safety https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2024/05/25/g-... And the typically human reaction to being told that something is dangerous by untrusted authorities. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/raw-milk-sales-spike-despite-cdcs-warnings-of-risk-associated-with-bird-flu https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/raw-milk-sales-spike-des... At this point I'm starting to think that we can kill two birds with one stone, and have the government announce that gravity can kill you if you fall off a bridge, and then just wait for some people to take that bet and lose.
pwg 2y ago
Best benefit of the doubt: @ripjaygn did not notice the date (it is dim grey and small size, so could be easily overlooked) and @ripjaygn may one of today's 10,000: https://xkcd.com/1053/ https://xkcd.com/1053/.

atomicnumber3 2y ago

Ignoring the necropost in the OP, I want to take this space to point out that if you want to live like it's Little House on the Prairie, you may discover that people had diarrhea more often than you'd like to think back then. And there's probably a factor of your gut not being used to such diverse flora, as well. I guess whatever makes them feel better while they're sitting on the porcelain throne.

nikolay 2y ago
Diarrhea is still pretty common - IBS, SIBO, and a plethora of other proofs for the Hygiene Hypothesis and right in front of our eyes. My kids have been drinking raw milk for over 15 years from RAWFARM [0] - never had issues. It's the best milk we've ever had. In fact, we've had spoiled pasteurized milk, and there's always been great until the expiry date, of course. [0]: https://rawfarmusa.com/ https://rawfarmusa.com/

IndrekR 2y ago

(2016) Also covered a while ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30808990 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30808990

bunewis 2y ago

Regardless of what caused it, it’s definitely hilarious

ImAnAmateur 2y ago

The local news article linked inside has some more details. https://www.wsaz.com/content/news/Anonymous-tip-claims-raw-milk-caused-illnesses-at-Capitol-371487251.html https://www.wsaz.com/content/news/Anonymous-tip-claims-raw-m... I think it still might be illegal to "distribute" raw milk? After all this time, I wonder what the current state laws in West Virginia about this are.

andreasley 2y ago
Actually, the sale of raw milk in West Virginia will become legal in June 2024. More details: https://wvpublic.org/raw-milk-sales-legal-in-w-va-as-avian-flu-cases-in-cattle-rise/ https://wvpublic.org/raw-milk-sales-legal-in-w-va-as-avian-f...

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johnea 2y ago

"There definitely shouldn't be a law against allowing people to do what they want within the framework of the rule of law," Mr McGeehan added. It may be 8 years old, but this is still a gem of null-speak...