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I don't know if anyone "needs" this energy, but I liked it. Just as I did when I was 6, I enjoy having illustrations when I'm reading, and am generally ok with

I don't know if anyone "needs" this energy, but I liked it. Just as I did when I was 6, I enjoy having illustrations when I'm reading, and am generally ok with them being AI-generated; it's better than using random stock photos.

sedatk 2y ago
AI generated imagery is usually imbued with inaccuracies and errors. Not to mention the ethical problems of using artwork without consent for training the AI. So, it might be worse than a random stock photo in those aspects.
- glimshe 2y ago
  I'll let the courts decide the legality of the artwork, I can't myself see any ethical problems. I agree with the parent that an AI-generated image is a lot better than a stock one and enhances the material as long as a human is able to validate that the image is appropriate for the context. In this case, I'm glad that the image was included. I was about to close the tab but the image caught my attention, and I kept going.
  - chx 2y ago
    I do not trust the corrupt courts of the United States to decide on anything. Or, more charitably even if the blatant exploitation of artists can't be proven to breach any existing statute -- and the law is always behind -- even then I will shorten this obvious truism as "all AI art is stolen art".
    - FeepingCreature 2y ago
      Why not go one step further? All art is stolen art.
      - thfuran 2y ago
        Because that makes no damn sense.
        FeepingCreature 2y ago
        There's literally a saying that explicitly spells out "great artists steal." Art is imitation plus adaptation, and everybody used to know this, artists included, until they all spontaneously forgot about a year ago, around the time when the artificial imitation machines started becoming commercial threats.
        seanhunter 2y ago
        Yes. That saying probably[1] started life with the quote from TS Elliot, who said "Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different." The composer Igor Stravinsky "took" that and changed it to “A good composer does not imitate; he steals.” and after that quote was further changed in the LaTex documentation (believe it or not), Steve Jobs took it and changed it to be Pablo Picasso saying "Lesser artists copy, great artists steal". It doesn't seem there's any evidence of Picasso saying it although Steve Jobs said a lot that Picasso said it. [1] https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/03/06/artists-steal/ https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/03/06/artists-steal/
        richard_todd 2y ago
        It’s amusing that the sequence of events in that story makes a great example of prior art getting regurgitated and altered by humans. If he were an AI bot, we would say Steve Jobs “hallucinated” a fact about Picasso.
        chx 2y ago
        Yeah. Still there is a human mind and effort between the original and the copy or we wouldn't care that much. That's the fundamental difference. Also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40475364 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40475364
- sumanthvepa 2y ago
  “Good artists copy; great artists steal” - Pablo Picasso. By this standard AI must be an amazing artist.
  - wizzwizz4 2y ago
    Great artists steal, as in, make things their own. The computer programs can't extrapolate without producing artefact-dominated visual noise: they can only interpolate ("copy"). (Besides, you're affirming the consequent.)
  - seanhunter 2y ago
    See my comment above. People say that Picasso said that (because Steve Jobs used to quote it as from Picasso) but there's no evidence he said that. It seems it was actually TS Elliot originally and then that was "stolen" by Igor Stravinsky, who was unquestionably a great artist but was saying it about Anton von Webern. https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/03/06/artists-steal/ https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/03/06/artists-steal/
- eesmith 2y ago
  > imbued with inaccuracies and errors Which this one certainly was. Tape drives don't look like that nor does the arrangement make any sense.
amelius 2y ago
Maybe you should install an image-generating reader-plugin then.
- falcor84 2y ago
  I'd actually love to have one - is there a good one?
FpUser 2y ago
I Find the same. Even though the AI image has lots of errors with the right instructions it usually carries the intentions of the master way better than some stock that can be found in reasonable time

sedatk 2y ago

AI generated imagery is usually imbued with inaccuracies and errors. Not to mention the ethical problems of using artwork without consent for training the AI. So, it might be worse than a random stock photo in those aspects.

glimshe 2y ago
I'll let the courts decide the legality of the artwork, I can't myself see any ethical problems. I agree with the parent that an AI-generated image is a lot better than a stock one and enhances the material as long as a human is able to validate that the image is appropriate for the context. In this case, I'm glad that the image was included. I was about to close the tab but the image caught my attention, and I kept going.
- chx 2y ago
  I do not trust the corrupt courts of the United States to decide on anything. Or, more charitably even if the blatant exploitation of artists can't be proven to breach any existing statute -- and the law is always behind -- even then I will shorten this obvious truism as "all AI art is stolen art".
  - FeepingCreature 2y ago
    Why not go one step further? All art is stolen art.
    - thfuran 2y ago
      Because that makes no damn sense.
      - FeepingCreature 2y ago
        There's literally a saying that explicitly spells out "great artists steal." Art is imitation plus adaptation, and everybody used to know this, artists included, until they all spontaneously forgot about a year ago, around the time when the artificial imitation machines started becoming commercial threats.
        seanhunter 2y ago
        Yes. That saying probably[1] started life with the quote from TS Elliot, who said "Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different." The composer Igor Stravinsky "took" that and changed it to “A good composer does not imitate; he steals.” and after that quote was further changed in the LaTex documentation (believe it or not), Steve Jobs took it and changed it to be Pablo Picasso saying "Lesser artists copy, great artists steal". It doesn't seem there's any evidence of Picasso saying it although Steve Jobs said a lot that Picasso said it. [1] https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/03/06/artists-steal/ https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/03/06/artists-steal/
        richard_todd 2y ago
        It’s amusing that the sequence of events in that story makes a great example of prior art getting regurgitated and altered by humans. If he were an AI bot, we would say Steve Jobs “hallucinated” a fact about Picasso.
        chx 2y ago
        Yeah. Still there is a human mind and effort between the original and the copy or we wouldn't care that much. That's the fundamental difference. Also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40475364 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40475364
sumanthvepa 2y ago
“Good artists copy; great artists steal” - Pablo Picasso. By this standard AI must be an amazing artist.
- wizzwizz4 2y ago
  Great artists steal, as in, make things their own. The computer programs can't extrapolate without producing artefact-dominated visual noise: they can only interpolate ("copy"). (Besides, you're affirming the consequent.)
- seanhunter 2y ago
  See my comment above. People say that Picasso said that (because Steve Jobs used to quote it as from Picasso) but there's no evidence he said that. It seems it was actually TS Elliot originally and then that was "stolen" by Igor Stravinsky, who was unquestionably a great artist but was saying it about Anton von Webern. https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/03/06/artists-steal/ https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/03/06/artists-steal/
eesmith 2y ago
> imbued with inaccuracies and errors Which this one certainly was. Tape drives don't look like that nor does the arrangement make any sense.

amelius 2y ago

Maybe you should install an image-generating reader-plugin then.

falcor84 2y ago
I'd actually love to have one - is there a good one?

FpUser 2y ago

I Find the same. Even though the AI image has lots of errors with the right instructions it usually carries the intentions of the master way better than some stock that can be found in reasonable time