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> You do not need to be hooked on a drug for life to control weight. Cool. What other intervention shows proven, long-term weight loss? Not "if you actually m

> You do not need to be hooked on a drug for life to control weight. Cool. What other intervention shows proven, long-term weight loss? Not "if you actually manage to follow this", not this one ubermench lost a bunch of weight, but _actual_ effects in real people at a group level?

robomartin 2y ago
I won't answer your question because it is ridiculous flame bait. As for "interventionist". My wife is a doctor. Do you know her #1 complaint about patients? Simple: They don't do what they are told. They don't take their meds. They come back a month or two later with the same issues and still refuse to do as they are told. So, yeah, losing weight (that's not her practice) isn't easy. However, losing weight using a pill isn't at all equivalent to being healthy. Not even close. The root causes were not dealt with and the damage cause by what got you there was never repaired. In other words, negative health effects, long term addiction to a fake non-solution and who knows what future consequences. It is absolutely astounding to me to see people actually argue for this shit. Simple thought experiment: If we banned all processed foods (painting with a wide brush here) for six months to a year, almost the entire population would shrink to healthier body composition, get healthier, have less inflammatory disease, need less healthcare and live a better life. The problem is the food.
- kadoban 2y ago
  > I won't answer your question because it is ridiculous flame bait. You won't answer because you have no desire to help people become healthier. Your goals are different. You just want to feel superior. You made it, and they can't. How dare they cheat by taking a drug that works? That's not fair! > As for "interventionist". My wife is a doctor. Do you know her #1 complaint about patients? Simple: > They don't do what they are told. They don't take their meds. They come back a month or two later with the same issues and still refuse to do as they are told. K. Then they won't take this either I guess, right? Who cares then.
  - robomartin 2y ago
    > Your goals are different. You just want to feel superior. Your insults do not change reality...or science. All you are doing is working very hard to confirm your ignorance. OK, I'll answer your stupid question. Stupid because you didn't even take the time to research peer-reviewed long-term medical studies to determine if your thinking aligns with reality. Well, it does not. You have no idea what you are talking about. > What other intervention shows proven, long-term weight loss? Methods that deliver proven long-term weight loss, from peer-reviewed studies: Low-Carbohydrate Diets: Ketogenic or Atkins diet result in significant weight loss and improved metabolic health markers. Mediterranean Diet: Studies have shown it can lead to sustainable weight loss and health benefits. Intermittent Fasting: Research has indicated that intermittent fasting can lead to weight loss and improvements in metabolic health. Aerobic Exercise: Consistently shown to contribute to weight loss and maintenance. Resistance Training: Increase metabolic rate and promote fat loss. Behavioral Therapy: Cognitive-behavioral therapy (CBT) and other behavioral interventions can help individuals change eating and activity habits, leading to sustained weight loss. Self-Monitoring: Keeping a food diary, tracking physical activity, and regularly weighing oneself are strategies that have been linked to successful long-term weight loss. Lifestyle Modification Programs: Combine diet, exercise, and behavioral therapy have been shown to be particularly effective. Examples include the Diabetes Prevention Program (DPP) and Look AHEAD (Action for Health in Diabetes) study. Mindful Eating: Can help prevent overeating and promote healthier food choices. Stress Reduction: Techniques such as yoga, meditation, and deep breathing exercises can reduce stress-related eating and support weight management. Key Studies and Sources Diabetes Prevention Program Research Group: The DPP study demonstrated that intensive lifestyle changes, including diet and exercise, can significantly reduce the incidence of type 2 diabetes and lead to long-term weight loss. https://www.niddk.nih.gov/about-niddk/research-areas/diabetes/diabetes-prevention-program-dpp https://www.niddk.nih.gov/about-niddk/research-areas/diabete... Look AHEAD Research Group: This study focused on individuals with type 2 diabetes and found that lifestyle interventions involving diet and physical activity resulted in sustained weight loss and improved health outcomes. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2613279/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2613279/ The Mediterranean Diet Study (PREDIMED): This large-scale study found that adherence to a Mediterranean diet is associated with reduced weight gain and lower cardiovascular risk. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1800389 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1800389 Etc. In your desire to attack and diminish, the point you are missing is ridiculously simple: I said, paraphrasing, that people do not need drugs at all to lose weight. That is a matter of indisputable science. I did not say --go find it if I said it-- that people are lesser humans if they choose to use drugs. I did not say --go find it-- it would be wrong to use a drug under medical supervision to help. I did not say --go find it-- drugs do not have a place in a medically-supervised strategy to become healthier. I did not say any of the things your mind seems to want to imagine I said. All I said is: Nobody needs drugs to lose weight. And this is absolutely true. I also said that drugs do not fix the underlying problems caused by years of bad nutrition and behaviors. And that, also, is absolutely true. So, by all means, if you wish to continue to demonstrate just how ignorant you are, carry on. It's entertaining.

robomartin 2y ago

I won't answer your question because it is ridiculous flame bait. As for "interventionist". My wife is a doctor. Do you know her #1 complaint about patients? Simple: They don't do what they are told. They don't take their meds. They come back a month or two later with the same issues and still refuse to do as they are told. So, yeah, losing weight (that's not her practice) isn't easy. However, losing weight using a pill isn't at all equivalent to being healthy. Not even close. The root causes were not dealt with and the damage cause by what got you there was never repaired. In other words, negative health effects, long term addiction to a fake non-solution and who knows what future consequences. It is absolutely astounding to me to see people actually argue for this shit. Simple thought experiment: If we banned all processed foods (painting with a wide brush here) for six months to a year, almost the entire population would shrink to healthier body composition, get healthier, have less inflammatory disease, need less healthcare and live a better life. The problem is the food.

kadoban 2y ago
> I won't answer your question because it is ridiculous flame bait. You won't answer because you have no desire to help people become healthier. Your goals are different. You just want to feel superior. You made it, and they can't. How dare they cheat by taking a drug that works? That's not fair! > As for "interventionist". My wife is a doctor. Do you know her #1 complaint about patients? Simple: > They don't do what they are told. They don't take their meds. They come back a month or two later with the same issues and still refuse to do as they are told. K. Then they won't take this either I guess, right? Who cares then.
- robomartin 2y ago
  > Your goals are different. You just want to feel superior. Your insults do not change reality...or science. All you are doing is working very hard to confirm your ignorance. OK, I'll answer your stupid question. Stupid because you didn't even take the time to research peer-reviewed long-term medical studies to determine if your thinking aligns with reality. Well, it does not. You have no idea what you are talking about. > What other intervention shows proven, long-term weight loss? Methods that deliver proven long-term weight loss, from peer-reviewed studies: Low-Carbohydrate Diets: Ketogenic or Atkins diet result in significant weight loss and improved metabolic health markers. Mediterranean Diet: Studies have shown it can lead to sustainable weight loss and health benefits. Intermittent Fasting: Research has indicated that intermittent fasting can lead to weight loss and improvements in metabolic health. Aerobic Exercise: Consistently shown to contribute to weight loss and maintenance. Resistance Training: Increase metabolic rate and promote fat loss. Behavioral Therapy: Cognitive-behavioral therapy (CBT) and other behavioral interventions can help individuals change eating and activity habits, leading to sustained weight loss. Self-Monitoring: Keeping a food diary, tracking physical activity, and regularly weighing oneself are strategies that have been linked to successful long-term weight loss. Lifestyle Modification Programs: Combine diet, exercise, and behavioral therapy have been shown to be particularly effective. Examples include the Diabetes Prevention Program (DPP) and Look AHEAD (Action for Health in Diabetes) study. Mindful Eating: Can help prevent overeating and promote healthier food choices. Stress Reduction: Techniques such as yoga, meditation, and deep breathing exercises can reduce stress-related eating and support weight management. Key Studies and Sources Diabetes Prevention Program Research Group: The DPP study demonstrated that intensive lifestyle changes, including diet and exercise, can significantly reduce the incidence of type 2 diabetes and lead to long-term weight loss. https://www.niddk.nih.gov/about-niddk/research-areas/diabetes/diabetes-prevention-program-dpp https://www.niddk.nih.gov/about-niddk/research-areas/diabete... Look AHEAD Research Group: This study focused on individuals with type 2 diabetes and found that lifestyle interventions involving diet and physical activity resulted in sustained weight loss and improved health outcomes. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2613279/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2613279/ The Mediterranean Diet Study (PREDIMED): This large-scale study found that adherence to a Mediterranean diet is associated with reduced weight gain and lower cardiovascular risk. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1800389 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1800389 Etc. In your desire to attack and diminish, the point you are missing is ridiculously simple: I said, paraphrasing, that people do not need drugs at all to lose weight. That is a matter of indisputable science. I did not say --go find it if I said it-- that people are lesser humans if they choose to use drugs. I did not say --go find it-- it would be wrong to use a drug under medical supervision to help. I did not say --go find it-- drugs do not have a place in a medically-supervised strategy to become healthier. I did not say any of the things your mind seems to want to imagine I said. All I said is: Nobody needs drugs to lose weight. And this is absolutely true. I also said that drugs do not fix the underlying problems caused by years of bad nutrition and behaviors. And that, also, is absolutely true. So, by all means, if you wish to continue to demonstrate just how ignorant you are, carry on. It's entertaining.