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all of the high end cameras have integrated wifi now

jsheard 2y ago
It didn't even occur to me to check that but duh of course they do, everything has integrated WiFi nowadays. Does the software actually work well or is it a jankfest?
- tw04 2y ago
  https://www.dpreview.com/news/4518014471/capture-one-adds-wired-and-wireless-tethering-to-its-ipad-app https://www.dpreview.com/news/4518014471/capture-one-adds-wi... Seems like it works well (I don't have any gear new enough to test myself). Supported cameras here: https://support.captureone.com/hc/en-us/articles/360002718118-Camera-models-and-RAW-files-supported-by-Capture-One https://support.captureone.com/hc/en-us/articles/36000271811...
- mardifoufs 2y ago
  It's a complete jankfest on my Fuji camera. The app is super weird, the cam works more like an access point (if you want any degree of reliability), and so many other weird problems. Maybe a firmware update fixed that but the app is still beyond bad.
  - Nereuxofficial 2y ago
    There are two apps from Fuji and i heard the newer one works better but the older one does not work for transferring pictures 70% of the time and unfortunately my camera is not supported in the new "Fujifilm X App"
    - carleton 2y ago
      Xapp works as well as I believe Apple lets them on iOS. You need to connect via the app, tap an iOS “Join WiFi” dialog, then 30-70% through the transfer it will stop and you need to tap again “This WiFi doesn’t have Internet, disconnect or continue?” and then it succeeds most of the time. Don’t even get me started on Fujifilm refusing to support Geotagging unless the iOS app is in the foreground though. That is entirely Fuji’s fault and their design choice because apparently users complained that “it was tracking my location when the app is closed” uh duh that’s how geotagging works, turn off location if you don’t use it.
      - radicality 2y ago
        I have both the XT4 and the XH2. I’m still surprised that in 2024 these big cameras don’t have a built-in something that does gps and sets the time correctly. The current time is floating in the air in radio waves. And gps units are small and with many low power options. Super annoying when you’re traveling around across timezones and suddenly all your photos are in the wrong time zone if you didn’t update it. Or if there is daylight savings update… And for gps, even a ballpark 1km gps range would be better than nothing.
  - atkbrah 2y ago
    The new app (XApp) is an improvement to the original one which worked maybe 15% of the time. Having to join your phone to the camera wifi is still a requirement
- gsliepen 2y ago
  Olympus OM-D E-M1: jank. It can only do a private ESSID created by the camera itself. There is an Android app from Olympus which works well enough if you just want to manually remote control the camera. Some people have found out parts of the protocol and have written open source tools to download images from the camera. Apparently that goes via HTTP, not HTTPS, so you have to place all your trust in the security of WPA.
- mschuster91 2y ago
  Sony's is a fuckfest, and so is pretty much everyone because Android sucks as well. The main problem is Bluetooth is dog slow, so they use temporary Wifi networks which have to be manually confirmed twice (once in the app, once in the Android UI)... and the wifi obviously doesn't have internet, so after a short time Android nags you to disconnect because the wifi it's connected to doesn't have internet.
  - ge0rg 2y ago
    This is all true, but the camera vendors are adding insult to injury with their ugly half broken apps that mostly don't work on top of that.
    - xp84 2y ago
      Hot take: All these are terrible, but not because the camera makers suck, but because there's no non-sucky way to do the thing we all would want: What we want: Snap picture, picture is sent over high-bandwidth link to phone Analysis: Can't be Bluetooth, also it's foolish to assume most pics are in wifi range of an access point, so it needs to be Wi-Fi Direct, like AirDrop is: Able to be performed with or without the parties being ON a network. The parties just p2p transfer the file. More analysis: What would this take? 1. The blessings of the platform owners, at minimum Apple and other handset makers, probably Google too. The platform owners would need to provide: 1. Ability to make ad-hoc wi-fi direct connections with your other devices. APIs etc 2. Ability to either have your app running in the background, or be automatically silently launched in the background, to receive the image and add it to Photos. No such abilities exist. All the cheesy hotspot things that they're doing is literally the only way to achieve such a goal without the cooperation of gatekeepers like Apple.
      - mschuster91 2y ago
        The (for me) most interesting thing is: why the fuck has no one managed to reverse engineer AirDrop and AirPlay yet, in a way that's mass market compatible? Like, there is OpenDrop but that is dead since five years [1], it was a code dump by some researchers, and there are no client implementations to interact with Apple servers for getting keys, or with registering Find My devices... [1] https://github.com/seemoo-lab/opendrop https://github.com/seemoo-lab/opendrop
- radicaldreamer 2y ago
  Leica FOTOS app is excellent (and also transfers tethered for even faster speeds), but it’s also the most expensive ecosystem to be in.
  - ofcrpls 2y ago
    As someone on the Q Typ116 that this app doesn't support, it's the primary reason I don't use the camera as much as I would like.
- 20after4 2y ago
  I managed to get my canon R6 to upload to an FTP server. Using their smartphone app was a nightmare because it constantly disconnects and it requires the phone to use the camera as a hotspot (and thus disconnect from any other wifi network for the duration of the connection.) Worst of all, the thing is so slow as to be nearly unusable. The UX for uploading to FTP isn't great but it's relatively more tolerable.

It didn't even occur to me to check that but duh of course they do, everything has integrated WiFi nowadays. Does the software actually work well or is it a jankfest?

tw04 2y ago
https://www.dpreview.com/news/4518014471/capture-one-adds-wired-and-wireless-tethering-to-its-ipad-app https://www.dpreview.com/news/4518014471/capture-one-adds-wi... Seems like it works well (I don't have any gear new enough to test myself). Supported cameras here: https://support.captureone.com/hc/en-us/articles/360002718118-Camera-models-and-RAW-files-supported-by-Capture-One https://support.captureone.com/hc/en-us/articles/36000271811...
mardifoufs 2y ago
It's a complete jankfest on my Fuji camera. The app is super weird, the cam works more like an access point (if you want any degree of reliability), and so many other weird problems. Maybe a firmware update fixed that but the app is still beyond bad.
- Nereuxofficial 2y ago
  There are two apps from Fuji and i heard the newer one works better but the older one does not work for transferring pictures 70% of the time and unfortunately my camera is not supported in the new "Fujifilm X App"
  - carleton 2y ago
    Xapp works as well as I believe Apple lets them on iOS. You need to connect via the app, tap an iOS “Join WiFi” dialog, then 30-70% through the transfer it will stop and you need to tap again “This WiFi doesn’t have Internet, disconnect or continue?” and then it succeeds most of the time. Don’t even get me started on Fujifilm refusing to support Geotagging unless the iOS app is in the foreground though. That is entirely Fuji’s fault and their design choice because apparently users complained that “it was tracking my location when the app is closed” uh duh that’s how geotagging works, turn off location if you don’t use it.
    - radicality 2y ago
      I have both the XT4 and the XH2. I’m still surprised that in 2024 these big cameras don’t have a built-in something that does gps and sets the time correctly. The current time is floating in the air in radio waves. And gps units are small and with many low power options. Super annoying when you’re traveling around across timezones and suddenly all your photos are in the wrong time zone if you didn’t update it. Or if there is daylight savings update… And for gps, even a ballpark 1km gps range would be better than nothing.
- atkbrah 2y ago
  The new app (XApp) is an improvement to the original one which worked maybe 15% of the time. Having to join your phone to the camera wifi is still a requirement
gsliepen 2y ago
Olympus OM-D E-M1: jank. It can only do a private ESSID created by the camera itself. There is an Android app from Olympus which works well enough if you just want to manually remote control the camera. Some people have found out parts of the protocol and have written open source tools to download images from the camera. Apparently that goes via HTTP, not HTTPS, so you have to place all your trust in the security of WPA.
mschuster91 2y ago
Sony's is a fuckfest, and so is pretty much everyone because Android sucks as well. The main problem is Bluetooth is dog slow, so they use temporary Wifi networks which have to be manually confirmed twice (once in the app, once in the Android UI)... and the wifi obviously doesn't have internet, so after a short time Android nags you to disconnect because the wifi it's connected to doesn't have internet.
- ge0rg 2y ago
  This is all true, but the camera vendors are adding insult to injury with their ugly half broken apps that mostly don't work on top of that.
  - xp84 2y ago
    Hot take: All these are terrible, but not because the camera makers suck, but because there's no non-sucky way to do the thing we all would want: What we want: Snap picture, picture is sent over high-bandwidth link to phone Analysis: Can't be Bluetooth, also it's foolish to assume most pics are in wifi range of an access point, so it needs to be Wi-Fi Direct, like AirDrop is: Able to be performed with or without the parties being ON a network. The parties just p2p transfer the file. More analysis: What would this take? 1. The blessings of the platform owners, at minimum Apple and other handset makers, probably Google too. The platform owners would need to provide: 1. Ability to make ad-hoc wi-fi direct connections with your other devices. APIs etc 2. Ability to either have your app running in the background, or be automatically silently launched in the background, to receive the image and add it to Photos. No such abilities exist. All the cheesy hotspot things that they're doing is literally the only way to achieve such a goal without the cooperation of gatekeepers like Apple.
    - mschuster91 2y ago
      The (for me) most interesting thing is: why the fuck has no one managed to reverse engineer AirDrop and AirPlay yet, in a way that's mass market compatible? Like, there is OpenDrop but that is dead since five years [1], it was a code dump by some researchers, and there are no client implementations to interact with Apple servers for getting keys, or with registering Find My devices... [1] https://github.com/seemoo-lab/opendrop https://github.com/seemoo-lab/opendrop
radicaldreamer 2y ago
Leica FOTOS app is excellent (and also transfers tethered for even faster speeds), but it’s also the most expensive ecosystem to be in.
- ofcrpls 2y ago
  As someone on the Q Typ116 that this app doesn't support, it's the primary reason I don't use the camera as much as I would like.
20after4 2y ago
I managed to get my canon R6 to upload to an FTP server. Using their smartphone app was a nightmare because it constantly disconnects and it requires the phone to use the camera as a hotspot (and thus disconnect from any other wifi network for the duration of the connection.) Worst of all, the thing is so slow as to be nearly unusable. The UX for uploading to FTP isn't great but it's relatively more tolerable.