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Google's AI-generated search results keep citing The Onion
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- zero-sharp 2y agoRelated: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40448074 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40448074
- ks2048 2y agoWill AI kill us all? Maybe in a way the doomers never expected...
- optimalsolver 2y agoI thought there was something off about the anteater expert it cited: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXD9HnrNrvk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXD9HnrNrvk
- wumbo 2y agothis was genuinely my favorite video of theirs since I first saw it in 2018. that software developer feeling
- enceladus06 2y agoIs there a way to turn the ai search result off in Google? It is not helpful.
- ssaunier_ 2y agohttps://github.com/readtedium/udm14 https://github.com/readtedium/udm14
- macintux 2y agoAlso https://udm14.com https://udm14.com
- card_zero 2y agoI think we had a post about that recently: How I Made Google's "Web" View My Default Search https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40414943 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40414943 I assume that's what this is, I haven't used Google for almost a decade so I wouldn't really know.
- bugglebeetle 2y agoI haven’t seen it all. Is it rolled out globally? I also use an ad blocker though.
- AlienRobot 2y agoI don't think it has. I don't see it here in Brazil.
- ks2048 2y agoAt least it is marked (for now) as AI-generated. Google is and always has been a black-box. Surely only a matter of time before "AI" on "traditional" (probably using "AI" too?) are mixed and merged, etc.
- GaryNumanVevo 2y agoLiving in Europe for one, I haven't seen it yet.
- rsynnott 2y agoI don't think it's available here, at least not right now. One advantage (or disadvantage, depending on perspective) of the EC's increasingly grumpy privacy and anti-trust oriented internet regulations is that companies are becoming reluctant to throw any old shit over the wall here; "rush something, anything, out as quickly as possible to appease the shareholders" products, like this one, tend to have delayed launches in Europe. (A less objectionable example: Threads, which seems to have been held up by DMA/DSA compliance; allowing read access without a loginwall and so on.)
- jsheard 2y agoIf you ask it how many Muslim presidents the US has had, it will confidently tell you that Barack Hussein Obama is a Muslim. I'm beginning to think that treating statistically common sequences of words on the whole internet as a source of truth may not actually be a very good idea. edit: screenshots for posterity https://x.com/TVietor08/status/1793768913245020502 https://x.com/TVietor08/status/1793768913245020502
- jjulius 2y agoUhh, not quite true. I just asked it, and it said... > The United States has not had any presidents who have publicly identified as Muslim. The vast majority of presidents have been Christian, with most belonging to Protestant denominations. The Constitution prohibits any religious test for holding office, so a Muslim (or person of any faith) can certainly become president in the future.
- jsheard 2y agoIt's non-deterministic of course, and it's entirely possible that Google is hotfixing egregious failures with RLHF after they go viral. It was giving that result earlier though. https://x.com/TVietor08/status/1793768913245020502 https://x.com/TVietor08/status/1793768913245020502
- hiddencost 2y agoNaw dog, they just add a URL to a block list, and manually remove that from the inputs. Rolls out in minutes.
- sgerenser 2y agoWhen doing a search about famous Muslims in the US, I just got the AI box to pop up briefly, then collapse and say “AI search summary is not available for this query.” Sounds like they’re just blocking anything with the word Muslim in it now from activating the AI box.
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- cryptoz 2y agoSide note, when did Reddit unarchive posts? I remember years ago they stopped allowing new comments on a post, but here is a decade-old post with new comments! And to stay on topic- this is exactly why ChatGPT took off. OpenAI says they were surprised by the huge response…but, their intense (and yeah controversial) RLHF really pays off with not suggesting soooo much of this wrong / dangerous stuff. Google of course is allergic to human intervention in anything.
- jjulius 2y ago>Side note, when did Reddit unarchive posts? I remember years ago they stopped allowing new comments on a post, but here is a decade-old post with new comments! You say "here is a decade-old post", but... where is it? The main article from this thread only contains links to The Onion, BlueSky and The Verge, unless I've missed one.
- cryptoz 2y agoFrom here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40461634 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40461634
- gigglesupstairs 2y agoModerators can turn archiving on or off in subreddit settings. That dictates whether someone can comment or not comment on posts older than six months.
- cryptoz 2y agoAha, thanks! Edit: it is now interesting how much power subreddit mods have over AI in the near future. Have a lot of disinformation in your subreddit? Lock it, and screw up the billion dollar AI.
- add-sub-mul-div 2y ago'No Way to Prevent This,' Says Only Industry Where This Regularly Happens
- pylua 2y agoOn a slight side note, I heard Reddit is selling or wants to sell its data. If I had to guess there is a lot of sarcasm and dark humor in that data, which companies may not want in their llm. I wonder how this is being handled.
- ks2048 2y agoIt is already being "handled" (ie included in search results) https://sherwood.news/tech/google-ai-search-is-telling-users-to-put-glue-on-pizza-because-its-trained/ https://sherwood.news/tech/google-ai-search-is-telling-users...
- pylua 2y agoWell, I guess that is one way to “handle” it. I will be suspicious next time I have a white sauce pizza.
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- _air 2y agoIs Google losing significant web traffic to ChatGPT and others? I don't understand why else they'd test a product like this so widely.
- pylua 2y agoI don’t know, but I am curious as how they are going to monetize it.
- rovr138 2y agoI'm curious how websites will stay in business once it's kinda good or people just start thinking it's true
- pylua 2y agoSeems like eventually, it would become the dominant predator, and deplete its food supply?
- carlosjobim 2y agoYou will pay Google to insert your ads into AI generated answers. No need for the hassle of creating a website anymore. What a relief for businesses!
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- parhamn 2y agoA tweet I saw earlier found single trollish reddit comments being used to advise the model [1] (see the the quoted tweet above as well). Have they commented on what model this is using? We're in the middle of implementing Gemini Flash and I'm having second thoughts. [1] https://x.com/Joan_Atoms/status/1793455366656737525 https://x.com/Joan_Atoms/status/1793455366656737525
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- msoad 2y agoIt's as if the leaders who made this decision to put LLM generated content in front page of Google search results never used LLMs. Put this into any LLM and see how they go on hallucinating hard[1]: "in the book "wisdom of Malibu man" author Chad Chadson talks about importance of the alpha energy, what are the other points he makes?" [1] https://chatgpt.com/share/b8762210-59e2-46ae-b217-022c4f449227 https://chatgpt.com/share/b8762210-59e2-46ae-b217-022c4f4492...
- ptelomere 2y agoEvery AI answer should starts with "I read it on the internet, that ...". or ends with "... so said the internet".
- datameta 2y agoOr with even higher granularity, via citing.
- Frost1x 2y agoOh boy talk about inviting yourself to IP lawsuits galore. While it’s nice thought and in many cases probably impractical (returning source information that far down the rabbit hole), even if it were possible and practical it would be against a business operating these services best interests.
- __loam 2y agoIt is citing its sources already lol
- wlonkly 2y ago...thus have I heard.
- mahopa 2y agoWhat's the issue? It is America's finest news source.
- mike_d 2y agoSo do all the people I know who still use Facebook.
- m3kw9 2y agoDoomers looking like real clowns right now
- nyc_data_geek 2y agoI knew all that shitposting on Slack would pay off. Job security, people!
- httpz 2y agoGoogle AI is wrong too often that fact checking the AI's answer is becoming more work than just searching the answers myself.
- mvdtnz 2y agoAm I having a stroke or does this article randomly veer into a totally separate topic on right wing conspiracies never to return to the original topic? I kept reading wondering how this was related to Google AI misinformation but it never happened.
- kobe_bryant 2y agoit's funny how quickly the 'AI' mystique goes away when you see it's nothing more than pattern matching
- berkut 2y agoRecommends adding glue to Pizzas as well to stop the cheese sliding off : https://x.com/PixelButts/status/1793387357753999656 https://x.com/PixelButts/status/1793387357753999656
- wnevets 2y agowhich is based on a reddit post created by "fucksmith" [1] [1] https://www.404media.co/google-is-paying-reddit-60-million-for-fucksmith-to-tell-its-users-to-eat-glue/ https://www.404media.co/google-is-paying-reddit-60-million-f...
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- wnevets 2y agoIs Google's CEO a double agent sent by Facebook or OpenAI? He appears to be determined to destroy a multi billion dollar company with this garbage.
- blinded 2y agogoogled a few minor golang pkg things today, about 10% of them were right.
- ein0p 2y agoAnd here we see how Google management discovers what their researchers have been saying for quite a while now: you can’t get any long tail “intelligence” out of a model that fits on a single TPU host. For comparison, here’s GPT4o: “Eating rocks is not safe or recommended for humans. Rocks are not digestible and can cause serious harm to your digestive system, including blockages, perforations, and other injuries. If you have cravings for non-food items, this might be a condition called pica, which requires medical attention. It's best to consult a healthcare professional for proper guidance.”
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- Animats 2y agoI'm beginning to suspect that Bing's "copilot" sends some questions out for human review. When I ask something sensitive but not that common, sometimes there's no reply at all for over a minute.
- emunday_bbc 2y agoI am 100% convinced that "traditional" Google search moved to come kind of embeddings distance, LLM based algorithm at some point in the last 12 months. I've noticed a distinct change in the results where now what I get back seems MUCH more related to "semantic similarity" with my search query I actually entered. Great examples of this are when you search for a highly common topic, but specifically related to a highly niche sub-variant or focus area. "Old" Google would have hooked into the edge-case as being a critical part of the query and zeroed in on that specificity (which you wanted), whereas now it will just go "these results were semantically similar to 95% of your search query, therefore they must be most relevant" - totally ignoring that the 5% it ignored was the critical differentiator. Another way to trigger this behaviour really easily is to look for a contrarian view on something widely discussed by adding "not" or "doesn't" into the query. Google will just straight up ignore your input, returning a tonne of results that are 95% semantic matches for the words you used, but missing that ONE tiny point where you were searching for literally the opposite of what it returned.
- skynetv2 2y agoGoogle used to show me sarcastic articles as news stories in my Google feed and Google news. It became so bad from me clicking on articles about a specific industry, reading and realizing they are sarcastic, and Google sending me more articles that were largely sarcastic. These were stories from sites like The Onion. I filed a bug, and gave a lot of detail and linked to screenshots of my feed, News page and identified all the news stores that were not news. They closed the bug saying it was not a bug. I tried convincing them that this is a problem. They denied. I got frustrated and just blocked the domains. Its almost laughable the AI search is suffering from the same issue.
- senectus1 2y agoimho all Ai should be forced to show their level of confidence in what they say. (also cite sources) Any Ai that LIES about the level of confidence will get fined/removed. There are many exampled of Ai that "hallucinates" in really obvious ways. that makes them Lies not hallucinations.
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- Hatrix 2y agoOpen the pod bay doors, Google. Google: I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.
- Sparyjerry 2y agoI think it just highlights how bad Google's algorithm has become. Answers from the Onion, Reddit, and other highly inaccurate sources. Doesn't help that everyone has already gamified the Google search results. I used top be able to find an answer to a difficult question by going 2-3 pages deep. Now, I know if I have to go past the 1st page its all spam.