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Relative to alcohol this is probably a good thing but I think most people grossly underestimate the negative impact of daily cannabis use. I’ve seen many people

Relative to alcohol this is probably a good thing but I think most people grossly underestimate the negative impact of daily cannabis use. I’ve seen many people slowly deteriorate. Cannabis psychosis is no fun at all

educasean 2y ago
Agreed. It's understandable that people were fed up with the rampant misinformation around the dangers of weed, but I fear we may be overcorrecting in the other direction now. Some people like to pretend that it's completely harmless even as they struggle with dependency issues. We need some actual fact-based education around weed.
- artimaeis 2y ago
  Hopefully once it's rescheduled federally in the US, we'll get medical research rolling! Having it as Schedule I has really hindered progress.
Rinzler89 2y ago
I dunno if alcohol is so much worse than weed in the grand scheme of things. A lot of Europeans, especially up north, are downright alcoholics by US standards, and yet their societies seem to be doing just fine, quite flourishing really. For example Ireland has the highest GDP/Capita in EU and Finland has the best educated school students in the EU. Not promoting alcohol consumption, but from my POV here in Europe, traditional alcoholic societies seem to have developed further than traditional stoner societies. Just a shower though.
- brabel 2y ago
  Which societies do you consider "stoner"??
  - popcalc 2y ago
    Tool/Cypress Hill audiences could qualify.
  - ecjhdnc2025 2y ago
    Well there was one at university that pretended to be about hill walking.
  - mrcartmeneses 2y ago
    India and Jamaica come to mind, but one had their GDP drained from 23% to just 4% of global GDP by British colonialism and the other is a former slave colony so those examples might have rather more significant downward pressure on productivity other than cannabis
- lotsofpulp 2y ago
  The probability of being hurt or even just disturbed by someone else due to them being high on cannabis is far, far lower than the probability of being hurt by someone due to them being high on alcohol. Work in a public facing role, especially at night or on weekends. Or even just drive around at night to see the difference.
  - deleted 2y ago
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- aunty_helen 2y ago
  Irish society being held up as a shining example to argue a point. I think the Irish could double their drinking and it wouldn't bring any more tech companies to the country. They're there for tax status, this is common knowledge especially in this part of the world.
- sourcecodeplz 2y ago
  It is common in family/small types businesses to start drinking at the office after lunch, this is Sweden/Norway/Denmark/Finland. It is dark and is sucks, what else you gonna do?
  - mentalfist 2y ago
    "common" is a pretty big exaggeration.
- seattle_spring 2y ago
  What are a few examples of "traditional stoner societies," especially on a country scale?
resource_waste 2y ago
What does this look like? There are lots of factors in life that can cause psychosis, reading philosophy can do it via triggering an existential crisis? Right? Obviously other traumatic events cause psychosis. I wonder if these require multiple things to happen, a life event + regular usage. Or if it really is a deterioration is inevitable.
- DyslexicAtheist 2y ago
  > reading philosophy can do it via triggering an existential crisis if thinking about stuff deeply can cause psychosis, maybe the the problem isn't the text?
tgv 2y ago
The picture is murky: both addictions co-exist (i.e., there are now two addiction issues), but for the overlapping group, combined use may lead to more alcohol consumption [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8855954/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8855954/]. There's only a moderately positive effect if cannabis use doesn't grow further, and substitutes alcohol abuse.
dyno12345 2y ago
The increase in traffic fatalities after legalization is also well documented, e.g. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S095539592300049X https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S09553...
MisterTea 2y ago
> Cannabis psychosis is no fun at all What is "Cannabis psychosis"?
- bragr 2y ago
  What it says on the tin: psychosis triggered by cannabis. Its rare, but not that rare, and well established scientifically and anecdotally. It's debated whether cannabis causes it, or just exacerbates it, but give 100 random people a super strong edible, a few will have a break from reality. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2424288/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2424288/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3927252/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3927252/ https://medicine.yale.edu/psychiatry/step/early-intervention-services/cannabis%20use%20and%20psychosis_380524_284_53825_v2.pdf https://medicine.yale.edu/psychiatry/step/early-intervention... https://www.nbcnews.com/health/mental-health/marijuana-induced-psychiatric-disorders-high-potency-weed-psychosis-rcna146072 https://www.nbcnews.com/health/mental-health/marijuana-induc... https://www.brightquest.com/cannabis-induced-psychosis/ https://www.brightquest.com/cannabis-induced-psychosis/
  - card_zero 2y ago
    > well established scientifically and anecdotally Those things don't go together. (What are these downvotes, you all want your facts to be based on anecdotes?)
    - bragr 2y ago
      Scientists doing studies and people talking on forums can't notice the same thing? Seems pretty common in the healthcare field.
      - card_zero 2y ago
        "Well established anecdotally" is like saying "poorly established".
        2y ago
faeriechangling 2y ago
I’m becoming pretty alarmed at cannabis smoking/vaping causing endothelial dysfunction. Alcohol is hilariously bad even relative to most drugs, but at some point we’re going to have to start examining cannabis on its own and it’s not that great. Edibles seem relatively inert though.
veunes 2y ago
Overuse is bad in any ways.

educasean 2y ago

Agreed. It's understandable that people were fed up with the rampant misinformation around the dangers of weed, but I fear we may be overcorrecting in the other direction now. Some people like to pretend that it's completely harmless even as they struggle with dependency issues. We need some actual fact-based education around weed.

artimaeis 2y ago
Hopefully once it's rescheduled federally in the US, we'll get medical research rolling! Having it as Schedule I has really hindered progress.

Rinzler89 2y ago

I dunno if alcohol is so much worse than weed in the grand scheme of things. A lot of Europeans, especially up north, are downright alcoholics by US standards, and yet their societies seem to be doing just fine, quite flourishing really. For example Ireland has the highest GDP/Capita in EU and Finland has the best educated school students in the EU. Not promoting alcohol consumption, but from my POV here in Europe, traditional alcoholic societies seem to have developed further than traditional stoner societies. Just a shower though.

brabel 2y ago
Which societies do you consider "stoner"??
- popcalc 2y ago
  Tool/Cypress Hill audiences could qualify.
- ecjhdnc2025 2y ago
  Well there was one at university that pretended to be about hill walking.
- mrcartmeneses 2y ago
  India and Jamaica come to mind, but one had their GDP drained from 23% to just 4% of global GDP by British colonialism and the other is a former slave colony so those examples might have rather more significant downward pressure on productivity other than cannabis
lotsofpulp 2y ago
The probability of being hurt or even just disturbed by someone else due to them being high on cannabis is far, far lower than the probability of being hurt by someone due to them being high on alcohol. Work in a public facing role, especially at night or on weekends. Or even just drive around at night to see the difference.
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
aunty_helen 2y ago
Irish society being held up as a shining example to argue a point. I think the Irish could double their drinking and it wouldn't bring any more tech companies to the country. They're there for tax status, this is common knowledge especially in this part of the world.
sourcecodeplz 2y ago
It is common in family/small types businesses to start drinking at the office after lunch, this is Sweden/Norway/Denmark/Finland. It is dark and is sucks, what else you gonna do?
- mentalfist 2y ago
  "common" is a pretty big exaggeration.
seattle_spring 2y ago
What are a few examples of "traditional stoner societies," especially on a country scale?

resource_waste 2y ago

What does this look like? There are lots of factors in life that can cause psychosis, reading philosophy can do it via triggering an existential crisis? Right? Obviously other traumatic events cause psychosis. I wonder if these require multiple things to happen, a life event + regular usage. Or if it really is a deterioration is inevitable.

DyslexicAtheist 2y ago
> reading philosophy can do it via triggering an existential crisis if thinking about stuff deeply can cause psychosis, maybe the the problem isn't the text?

tgv 2y ago

The picture is murky: both addictions co-exist (i.e., there are now two addiction issues), but for the overlapping group, combined use may lead to more alcohol consumption [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8855954/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8855954/]. There's only a moderately positive effect if cannabis use doesn't grow further, and substitutes alcohol abuse.

dyno12345 2y ago

The increase in traffic fatalities after legalization is also well documented, e.g. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S095539592300049X https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S09553...

MisterTea 2y ago

> Cannabis psychosis is no fun at all What is "Cannabis psychosis"?

bragr 2y ago
What it says on the tin: psychosis triggered by cannabis. Its rare, but not that rare, and well established scientifically and anecdotally. It's debated whether cannabis causes it, or just exacerbates it, but give 100 random people a super strong edible, a few will have a break from reality. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2424288/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2424288/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3927252/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3927252/ https://medicine.yale.edu/psychiatry/step/early-intervention-services/cannabis%20use%20and%20psychosis_380524_284_53825_v2.pdf https://medicine.yale.edu/psychiatry/step/early-intervention... https://www.nbcnews.com/health/mental-health/marijuana-induced-psychiatric-disorders-high-potency-weed-psychosis-rcna146072 https://www.nbcnews.com/health/mental-health/marijuana-induc... https://www.brightquest.com/cannabis-induced-psychosis/ https://www.brightquest.com/cannabis-induced-psychosis/
- card_zero 2y ago
  > well established scientifically and anecdotally Those things don't go together. (What are these downvotes, you all want your facts to be based on anecdotes?)
  - bragr 2y ago
    Scientists doing studies and people talking on forums can't notice the same thing? Seems pretty common in the healthcare field.
    - card_zero 2y ago
      "Well established anecdotally" is like saying "poorly established".
      - 2y ago

faeriechangling 2y ago

I’m becoming pretty alarmed at cannabis smoking/vaping causing endothelial dysfunction. Alcohol is hilariously bad even relative to most drugs, but at some point we’re going to have to start examining cannabis on its own and it’s not that great. Edibles seem relatively inert though.

veunes 2y ago

Overuse is bad in any ways.