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Also looking from the perspective of the lesser known voice actress, does Scarlett Johansson have the right to trample the lesser known voice artists future job

Also looking from the perspective of the lesser known voice actress, does Scarlett Johansson have the right to trample the lesser known voice artists future job opportunities by intimidating her previous employers? Imagine being a potential future employer of the lesser known artist, would you dare hire her in the face that Johansson's lawyers might come after you? Is this lesser known voice artist now doomed to find a job in a different sector? Voice archetypes are much much older than Johansson, so by symmetry arguments, could those earlier in line sue Johansson in turn? When a strong person is offered a job at the docks, but refuses, and if then later another strong person accepts the job, can the first one sue the employer for "finding another strong man"? At some point the courts are being asked to uphold exceptionalist treatment and effectuate it on tax-payers dollars moving executive branches in case of non-compliance.

bnralt 2y ago
> Also looking from the perspective of the lesser known voice actress, does Scarlett Johansson have the right to trample the lesser known voice artists future job opportunities by intimidating her previous employers? Right, it would be one thing if there was evidence that OpenAI asked the actress to imitate Johansson. But people are saying that using this voice actress at all without Johansson's permission shouldn't be legal, which is a bizarre claim. If someone thinks my voice sounds similar to a celebrities, now that celebrity owns my voice? In any other situation, everyone here would think such a standard would be completely outrageous. (For what it's worth, I didn't find the Sky voice to sound anything like Scarlett Johannson personally)
- naasking 2y ago
  Exactly, everyone claiming so hasn't actually listened to it [1], or they're basing their opinion off of "suspicious correlations", like that Altman mentioned "her" just before releasing a voice-interactive AI assistant. [1] https://x.com/chriswiles87/status/1792909936189378653 https://x.com/chriswiles87/status/1792909936189378653
  - scotty79 2y ago
    Maybe because it's the most famous recent good movie about voice interface AI? He's wasn't citing Lucy or whatever other garbage.
  - brvsft 2y ago
    Some may have listened to it and just have such a poor opinion of OpenAI that they allow it to cloud their judgment. Both voices sound like white women in a similar age group, must be Scarlett Johansson.
    - naasking 2y ago
      > Some may have listened to it and just have such a poor opinion of OpenAI that they allow it to cloud their judgment I think that's exactly it, or they're critical of all corporations, and they're jumping all over suspicious timelines, like that they tried to convince her 9 months ago and again 2 days before the new release as some kind of evidence of malfeasance.
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    - bnralt 2y ago
      And not just white women, Rashida Jones is biracial and a lot of people think the voice sounds like hers. I agree that it actually sounds much more like Jones’ than Johansson’s - I think I’d be able to accurately distinguish between Sky and Johansson’s voice just about every time, but I’m not sure I would be able to do the same with Sky and Jone’s. And as far as I can tell, OpenAI also had 4 different female voices - two from the API, and two in ChatGPT. So there are several different types of voices they covered.
      - naasking 2y ago
        > Rashida Jones is biracial and a lot of people think the voice sounds like hers. I listened again and you're right, it does sound more like Rashida Jones.
- MarkMarine 2y ago
  I would bet these charitable readings of OA intentions are going to get wiped away by some internal emails found during discovery. It does sound like Mr. Altman was talking about it publicly in a tweet, it’s probable there are internal comms about this.
bmitc 2y ago
> Also looking from the perspective of the lesser known voice actress, does Scarlett Johansson have the right to trample the lesser known voice artists future job opportunities by intimidating her previous employers? This is weird, if not bizarre. Scarlett didn't do anything. Literally no action besides saying no. Then a company decides to impersonate her and use her performance in a movie as implicit marketing for a product. That's the company's problem, not hers.
d3w3y 2y ago
> Is this lesser known voice artist now doomed to find a job in a different sector? The lesser-known voice actor is dooming themselves to find a job in a different sector by contributing to the development of technology that will almost certainly replace all voice actors.
rcyeh 2y ago
This is exactly the right argument. Accepting the lawsuit would give precedent to an insidious combination: Matthew+chilling effect

bnralt 2y ago

> Also looking from the perspective of the lesser known voice actress, does Scarlett Johansson have the right to trample the lesser known voice artists future job opportunities by intimidating her previous employers? Right, it would be one thing if there was evidence that OpenAI asked the actress to imitate Johansson. But people are saying that using this voice actress at all without Johansson's permission shouldn't be legal, which is a bizarre claim. If someone thinks my voice sounds similar to a celebrities, now that celebrity owns my voice? In any other situation, everyone here would think such a standard would be completely outrageous. (For what it's worth, I didn't find the Sky voice to sound anything like Scarlett Johannson personally)

naasking 2y ago
Exactly, everyone claiming so hasn't actually listened to it [1], or they're basing their opinion off of "suspicious correlations", like that Altman mentioned "her" just before releasing a voice-interactive AI assistant. [1] https://x.com/chriswiles87/status/1792909936189378653 https://x.com/chriswiles87/status/1792909936189378653
- scotty79 2y ago
  Maybe because it's the most famous recent good movie about voice interface AI? He's wasn't citing Lucy or whatever other garbage.
- brvsft 2y ago
  Some may have listened to it and just have such a poor opinion of OpenAI that they allow it to cloud their judgment. Both voices sound like white women in a similar age group, must be Scarlett Johansson.
  - naasking 2y ago
    > Some may have listened to it and just have such a poor opinion of OpenAI that they allow it to cloud their judgment I think that's exactly it, or they're critical of all corporations, and they're jumping all over suspicious timelines, like that they tried to convince her 9 months ago and again 2 days before the new release as some kind of evidence of malfeasance.
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  - bnralt 2y ago
    And not just white women, Rashida Jones is biracial and a lot of people think the voice sounds like hers. I agree that it actually sounds much more like Jones’ than Johansson’s - I think I’d be able to accurately distinguish between Sky and Johansson’s voice just about every time, but I’m not sure I would be able to do the same with Sky and Jone’s. And as far as I can tell, OpenAI also had 4 different female voices - two from the API, and two in ChatGPT. So there are several different types of voices they covered.
    - naasking 2y ago
      > Rashida Jones is biracial and a lot of people think the voice sounds like hers. I listened again and you're right, it does sound more like Rashida Jones.
MarkMarine 2y ago
I would bet these charitable readings of OA intentions are going to get wiped away by some internal emails found during discovery. It does sound like Mr. Altman was talking about it publicly in a tweet, it’s probable there are internal comms about this.

bmitc 2y ago

> Also looking from the perspective of the lesser known voice actress, does Scarlett Johansson have the right to trample the lesser known voice artists future job opportunities by intimidating her previous employers? This is weird, if not bizarre. Scarlett didn't do anything. Literally no action besides saying no. Then a company decides to impersonate her and use her performance in a movie as implicit marketing for a product. That's the company's problem, not hers.

d3w3y 2y ago

> Is this lesser known voice artist now doomed to find a job in a different sector? The lesser-known voice actor is dooming themselves to find a job in a different sector by contributing to the development of technology that will almost certainly replace all voice actors.

rcyeh 2y ago

This is exactly the right argument. Accepting the lawsuit would give precedent to an insidious combination: Matthew+chilling effect