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I just switched from hyprland (due to those toxicity articles) back to KDE, and was pleasantly surprised at how much better these scrollable WMs are. I use Karo

by kelvie 2y ago

I just switched from hyprland (due to those toxicity articles) back to KDE, and was pleasantly surprised at how much better these scrollable WMs are. I use Karousel[1] which is actually implemented as a KWin script, amazingly. [1] https://github.com/peterfajdiga/karousel https://github.com/peterfajdiga/karousel

cl3misch 2y ago
Could you elaborate on the toxicity articles?
- kelvie 2y ago
  https://drewdevault.com/2024/04/09/2024-04-09-FDO-conduct-enforcement.html https://drewdevault.com/2024/04/09/2024-04-09-FDO-conduct-en... This is a pretty good overview. There have been several HN discussions on this matter.
  - jorvi 2y ago
    That is not an overview. An overview would show both sides. I’m not saying Vaxry is right or did nothing wrong, or that Drew’s portrayal is wrong, but what you linked is just Drew’s personal musings on the situation. I’ve seen someone be viciously attacked online for being bigoted against people who are less mentally able, only for it to surface after the attacks (and professional consequences) that the “bigotry” was calling someone a moron a few times. Be careful about taking sides when you have only one side of the story. Not long ago HN harassed a Google employee for supposedly stealing a JavaScript accessibility project, only for it to later come to light that the accuser was dealing with some difficult personal situations that caused him to portray the entire thing lopsidedly.
    - xyzzy_plugh 2y ago
      Nah. You don't have to show both sides when the evidence is stacked. We don't have to publicize the criminal's take when they're unanimously, unambiguously convicted of murder. It's one thing if there is ambiguity, and the collective opinion is undecided, but that's not the case here. Drew's personal musings on the situation form a reasonable overview in this case. Even a fraction of the evidence publicized is enough to justify the label "toxic."
  - snvzz 2y ago
    Drew has been seen commenting (very unnecessarily) on Hyprland's code quality or lack thereof. I see a wm's main developer attacking a developer of another wm, and it's not pretty.
wraptile 2y ago
Thank you for the recommendation. Just installed karousel on Plasma 6 and it works wonderfully part for really weird default keyboard shortcuts. Nothing a few minutes in the settings panel couldn't fix. I'm not exactly sold on the window scrolling idea yet but switching between Karousel and Polonium[1] which is a traditional twm for Kwin is very easy so I'll be experiment with both. 1 - https://github.com/zeroxoneafour/polonium https://github.com/zeroxoneafour/polonium
- NayamAmarshe 2y ago
  While scripts can provide a similar experience, without Niri or PaperWM the experience will be sub-par. Scrolling WMs amazing with a touchpad and now that Niri supports mouse, I believe it'll be a great experience.
  - wraptile 2y ago
    Could you clarify what's missing with this kwin script? The only thing I see is that window stacking doesn't work on wayland. Personally, I've given up of controlling all pieces of my DE like setting up busses and keyboard shortcuts. KDE already does all of this brilliantly and kwin scripts get the rest so I can have my cake and eat it too.
    - kelvie 2y ago
      Touchpad gestures don't work, it would be really nice if I could scroll with my touchpad, although there may be a way using some type of evdev capturer that mimics a shortcut

by kelvie 2y ago

cl3misch 2y ago

Could you elaborate on the toxicity articles?

kelvie 2y ago
https://drewdevault.com/2024/04/09/2024-04-09-FDO-conduct-enforcement.html https://drewdevault.com/2024/04/09/2024-04-09-FDO-conduct-en... This is a pretty good overview. There have been several HN discussions on this matter.
- jorvi 2y ago
  That is not an overview. An overview would show both sides. I’m not saying Vaxry is right or did nothing wrong, or that Drew’s portrayal is wrong, but what you linked is just Drew’s personal musings on the situation. I’ve seen someone be viciously attacked online for being bigoted against people who are less mentally able, only for it to surface after the attacks (and professional consequences) that the “bigotry” was calling someone a moron a few times. Be careful about taking sides when you have only one side of the story. Not long ago HN harassed a Google employee for supposedly stealing a JavaScript accessibility project, only for it to later come to light that the accuser was dealing with some difficult personal situations that caused him to portray the entire thing lopsidedly.
  - xyzzy_plugh 2y ago
    Nah. You don't have to show both sides when the evidence is stacked. We don't have to publicize the criminal's take when they're unanimously, unambiguously convicted of murder. It's one thing if there is ambiguity, and the collective opinion is undecided, but that's not the case here. Drew's personal musings on the situation form a reasonable overview in this case. Even a fraction of the evidence publicized is enough to justify the label "toxic."
- snvzz 2y ago
  Drew has been seen commenting (very unnecessarily) on Hyprland's code quality or lack thereof. I see a wm's main developer attacking a developer of another wm, and it's not pretty.

wraptile 2y ago

Thank you for the recommendation. Just installed karousel on Plasma 6 and it works wonderfully part for really weird default keyboard shortcuts. Nothing a few minutes in the settings panel couldn't fix. I'm not exactly sold on the window scrolling idea yet but switching between Karousel and Polonium[1] which is a traditional twm for Kwin is very easy so I'll be experiment with both. 1 - https://github.com/zeroxoneafour/polonium https://github.com/zeroxoneafour/polonium

NayamAmarshe 2y ago
While scripts can provide a similar experience, without Niri or PaperWM the experience will be sub-par. Scrolling WMs amazing with a touchpad and now that Niri supports mouse, I believe it'll be a great experience.
- wraptile 2y ago
  Could you clarify what's missing with this kwin script? The only thing I see is that window stacking doesn't work on wayland. Personally, I've given up of controlling all pieces of my DE like setting up busses and keyboard shortcuts. KDE already does all of this brilliantly and kwin scripts get the rest so I can have my cake and eat it too.
  - kelvie 2y ago
    Touchpad gestures don't work, it would be really nice if I could scroll with my touchpad, although there may be a way using some type of evdev capturer that mimics a shortcut