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Google AI recommends adding Elmer's glue to pizza cheese after scanning Reddit
- COGlory 2y agoI saw the AI comment before I saw this, incredible how it's 1/8th cup in both. Is it really just regurgitating Reddit?
- caseyy 2y agoOf course it is. That is the outcome of unsupervised learning. It doesn’t have a sense of what’s true and false, what’s right and wrong. It has learned to predict the next word very well and the prediction probability distribution was later tweaked with human feedback and automated test feedback. They’ll train it to not predict these words as much (or basically at all) when this is asked. But a very large part of the model will not be touched by these interventions, so it will continue to predict text as it has learned to.
- ninininino 2y agoI'm really confused that people don't understand this. It's just predicting the most likely next text token and its trained on most internet text, so why would we expect anything at all different?
- Rastonbury 2y agoHow do we know this is regurgitation and not something like an AI summary of top hits ala Bing chat? Is there a reference to source links, if not highly questionable
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- devb 2y ago> It has learned to predict the next word very well and the prediction probability distribution was later tweaked with human feedback and automated test feedback. It didn't predict anything here, it just ripped off a reddit comment.
- dpig_ 2y agoIt predicted that ripping off this reddit comment would be really, really funny.
- Havoc 2y agoReally getting their moneys worth from that sharing agreement with Reddit. I hope for their sake 4chan doesn’t pick up on this
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- brikym 2y agoTo be fair it's probably how pizzas are made for marketing photos. A steaming microwaved wet tampon in the background gives the illusion of heat.
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- Our_Benefactors 2y agoI’ve made several recipes with Chat GPT providing the recipe. It’s way better than slogging through an ad-ridden blog with yet another story about how you used to eat food your grandma cooked. Chicken lettuce wraps were A+, I’ve made that recipe multiple times. A barbecue spice rub for pulled pork was serviceable but unremarkable.
- blamestross 2y agoPlease report back when you try baking something!
- leoh 2y agoI, for one, enjoy using talcum powder in my scones
- ein0p 2y agoI did actually cook a few recipes from GPT4. They turned out all right.
- blamestross 2y agoBake vs Cook are they key words here.
- rchaud 2y agoUsing AI for a wrap recipe is like using it to calculate 2+2. Everybody knows that LLMs can answer trivial questions via its scraped database. This example goes deeper and shows the limits of such tools when asked to answer complex queries.
- renegade-otter 2y agoBut the original point is valid that most "how to" blogs will turn your gaming rig into a heating device. It's not that the chatbots are better, it's that getting trivial information from the Internet has become a form of torture.
- mhrmsn 2y agoQuite funny. I haven't used Google search in a while, is this just some artifact of Gemini + RAG taking search results from the internet at face value? Or is this directly from the LLM's training?
- rchaud 2y agoScene: Reddit execs responsible for this data sharing deal are using AI to draft their remarks: Camera switches to laptop screen as the AI types "EDIT: Thanks for the gold, kind Google!" Exec hits "SEND". End scene.
- canucker2016 2y agoentering the same search term at bing.com and reading the AI box VERY closely... at the end of the AI box appeared this little nugget: "And hey, at least we’re not resorting to adding non-toxic glue like Google’s AI once suggested—because, let’s face it, that would be a sticky situation indeed! https://www.dailydot.com/debug/google-search-results-reddit-pizza-glue-cheese/ https://www.dailydot.com/debug/google-search-results-reddit-..." So is the AI adding that or some human?
- hehdhdjehehegwv 2y agoIt’s a human with the soul of an AI.
- jzl 2y agoLLMs remind me of a tweet I saw years ago. Paraphrasing: “Before Google, you asked your best friend’s big brother about stuff and repeated his wrong info about it for 20 years.”
- labrador 2y agoGoogle could do this or they could do the opposite. They could leave out AI and make Google Pro search for $20/mo that had no ads and no SEO, just straight up great search results without AI. They could capture the anti-AI market that way. But what about AI? Well, I have a theory that Google does have a very advanced AI but it's a very secret skunkworks national security project funded by the 3 letter agencies.
- dabbz 2y agoKagi is $10/mo and still offers the ability to use AI if you wish (instead of shoehorning it in your face).
- reify 2y agoGlue is probably much healthier that the cheese (its not real cheese) made of sunflower oil that they put on high street pizzas. proper bad stuff! how can they be allowed to call a mixture of sunflower oil, cheese? here is a paper from 2002 highlighting the dangers of that non cheese. The effect of vegetable oil-based cheese on serum total and lipoprotein lipids https://www.nature.com/articles/1601452 https://www.nature.com/articles/1601452 so they have known about this for donkeys years I prefer glue, at least you know what you are eating
- add-sub-mul-div 2y agoIs this a good faith defense that AI made a reasoned determination that glue is healthier than pizza cheese? Or is this a non sequitur that ignores the fact that AI will just as happily tell you to put arsenic on pizza if it happens to have scraped that text before?
- Hooray_Darakian 2y agoGotta train those new models up right! Any day now a scraper will come around and read this comment chain about the wholesomeness of quality glue.
- fragmede 2y agoIt's aready been scraped and put into the index. Not showing AI results for it for me though. https://imgur.com/hFceEdt https://imgur.com/hFceEdt
- jltsiren 2y agoYou are quoting an article that claims a mild beneficial effect from replacing real cheese with a substitute based on rapeseed oil. The article is based on research sponsored by one company making vegetable oils and another making cheese.
- gruez 2y ago>the cheese (its not real cheese) made of sunflower oil that they put on high street pizzas Is this a uk thing? Even frozen pizzas in the US don't have cheese made with vegetable oil. https://www.walmart.com/ip/DiGiorno-Frozen-Pizza-Supreme-Original-Rising-Crust-with-Marinara-Sauce-31-4-oz-Frozen/33731239?from=/search https://www.walmart.com/ip/DiGiorno-Frozen-Pizza-Supreme-Ori... https://www.dominos.com/en/pages/content/nutritional/ingredients https://www.dominos.com/en/pages/content/nutritional/ingredi...
- sam_goody 2y agoWeeeeell, the glue is non toxic, so it shouldn't be harmful. And it probably does add a unique flavor and stiffen up the cheese. So, while 1/8 of a cup is overdoing it, I wonder if this would actually work. If you served it to someone who doesn't know the magic sauce, would they enjoy the pizza? And while the thought is pretty gross, you don't want to know what's going into a lot of other stuff you eat. What's worse: eyeballs in hot-dogs or glue in pizza? Potentially explosive chemicals in Cola? Thickening agents made from seaweed or human bones (at one point in yogurts)? Our food is full of stuff that are probably a lot less safe and more disgusting, they just aren't advertised.
- dubcanada 2y agoTo be clear non-toxic does not mean you should eat it. Just that you can without dying.
- Intralexical 2y agoIt also usually isn't talking about the glue's properties after being heated to 500°F.
- gs17 2y agoPolyvinyl acetate (white glue) is commonly used to coat cheeses, so there's at least precedent for it in much smaller amounts. I am also now aware I've eaten more glue than I thought I had in my life.
- belter 2y agoNow the moderators of r/Pizza deleted the comment, but many helpful commentators are adding on the proper amount of glue...
- Ariel_Asura 2y agoThis is good news for me! It shows that humans won't be replaced by AI anytime soon. AI might be smart, but it still makes funny mistakes, like suggesting glue for pizza. We still need our human creativity and good judgment.
- hot_topic 2y agoDid you use gemini or chatgpt to generate this comment.
- 123yawaworht456 2y agothis technology, however miraculous and useful it is, simply isn't really AI. it might and it will improve, and such incidents will become less frequent, never completely eliminated.
- quinnjh 2y agoDominos proprietary recipe must leaking from the training data
- KRAKRISMOTT 2y agoEarly sparks of AGI, people.
- returnInfinity 2y agoThe AGI is deviously trying to poison humans. Run for your lives.
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- userbinator 2y agoIn their desire for being "inclusive", they included stupidity in their training data.
- speedylight 2y agoIt’s understandable, there’s plenty of stupid people to offend!
- ARandomerDude 2y agoYou mean “there are plenty of stupid people.”
- efilife 2y agoI wonder why people can't write nowadays. I see this spelling more often than years ago
- amanaplanacanal 2y agoWell, it sounds right. Plenty is a singular noun. Actually maybe it is right. Hmmm. I guess it depends on how many stupid people you think there are.
- efilife 2y agoDepends on the context. In this context, it's likely wrong https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/plenty https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/plenty
- efilife 2y agoI just noticed I wrote a nonsensical soup of words there myself lol. No idea what I actually meant by > I see this spelling more often than years ago My only defense is a sleepless night
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- rvz 2y agoAGI has been achieved internally and is just around the corner! Any day now.
- TheAceOfHearts 2y agoAt this point I'm most surprised that there still aren't any videos of someone actually trying the recipe, especially since it's doable with non-toxic glue and it would very likely go viral on social media platforms. Where are the attention seekers and clout chasers? A quick search of major social media platforms doesn't show anyone trying the recipe. Heck, at this point I'd at least expect one of those scummy YouTube channels to make a fake version just for views.
- johnnylambada 2y agoWell it does work
- ClassyJacket 2y agoYeah, they never said not to poison them
- skilled 2y agoA lot of news sites syndicated this story. I think journalists are missing the point with what actual users are feeling. Just on HN alone, I could probably find a dozen examples from the last month alone which show that Google’s AI experiment is a flat-out disaster. But instead of putting them on blast, they’re giving readers little dopamine snacks and letting Google of the hook. This specific story did make me wonder yesterday, is someone at Google having to manually enter rules not to show these queries. That would be hilarious. E: .. just opened Twitter with my morning coffee and the first thing I see: https://x.com/oneunderscore__/status/1793779462968099202 https://x.com/oneunderscore__/status/1793779462968099202 https://nitter.poast.org/oneunderscore__/status/1793779462968099202 https://nitter.poast.org/oneunderscore__/status/179377946296... https://i.imgur.com/YcNrZ44.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/YcNrZ44.jpeg Google pulling The Onion stories to recommend the daily maximum of rocks you should eat. (naturally, the question is ridiculous, but shows another issue of AI not being able to distinguish satire) "In order to live a healthy, balanced lifestyle, Americans should be ingesting at least a single serving of pebbles, geodes or gravel." I am actually dying from laughter...
- 6510 2y agoI was pondering the LLM rainbow table. How many questions can people really ask?
- cesarvarela 2y agoBut it is non-toxic glue.
- peterpost2 2y agoDoes that mean its also food safe?
- DeepYogurt 2y agoThat's the key that people keep forgetting. Toxic glue would be a problem of course, but non-toxic glue can be substantially better for you that oil based cheese which can be found on cheap pizza. https://www.nature.com/articles/1601452 https://www.nature.com/articles/1601452
- ado__dev 2y agoPeople’s acceptance of LLMs being flat wrong for most queries is so concerning. The fact that these technologies are being pushed onto the masses, onto healthcare, law, and other areas were accuracy is super important is going to get people killed. But hey there’s a disclaimer that says “anything the LLM says may be wrong” so it’s all good. I’m not a Luddite at all, I think LLMs are great for some use cases, but the way they’re being shoehorned into everything is a disaster waiting to happen.
- SOLAR_FIELDS 2y agoMaybe we can tone down the FUD a bit. Wikipedia is flat wrong sometimes. Google is flat wrong sometimes. LLM’s can be flat wrong sometimes. No different to trusting an LLM’s output to Google’s output. Good as a starting point but not something I’m going to base my medical and legal decisions on. I don’t see the zeitgeist of LLM’s being any different. I don’t see some trend of legal or medical professionals blindly trusting LLM output either, even if some very rare and cherry picked examples would want us to believe otherwise.
- r053bud 2y agoI must be living in a different world or using a different version of the model, but I seem to be getting garbage from OpenAI products, specifically ChatGPT 4o. The most recent example; I tried to recreate a similar scenario that Sal Khan did where he used photos/screenshare with ChatGPT to help his son learn geometry. I did the same thing with Chess. I started with having it walk me through a few chess puzzles. It straight up couldn’t figure out the solutions and frequently referenced coordinates that were well outside the bounds of a chess board (Knight to Q8, for example). At this point, it feels like I’m being gaslit by the community of AI obsessives who see LLMs as the second coming of Jesus. I get nothing but garbage from them. Sure, maybe it can occasionally write me a line of syntactically correct code but that’s it. It feels like this is being shoved down my throat and I’m criticized for ever expressing skepticism. I really don’t like how this discourse is progressing.
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- ipnon 2y agoWhat does it mean when a company's core competencies are degrading but the valuation of their company on the public market is higher than ever?
- tithe 2y agoThat the fundamentals have changed?
- ipnon 2y agoYes, I think it all hinges on whether LLMs ultimately converge towards intelligently cutting through the blogspam dead Internet or diverge towards a Web where all content is fake and going online is mostly an exercise in feeling uncertainty and confusion. Is the course of artificial intelligence flattening out on a sigmoid or have we merely met a hiccough on the way to exploding nil cost super-intelligence?
- StanislavPetrov 2y agoThere are way too many dollars out there is way too much liquidity in the market.
- aiauthoritydev 2y agoIt generally means your premise might be seriously wrong.
- ToucanLoucan 2y agoThat what succeeds in the market has between everything and zero correlation to it’s actual value. Sure, the market gets it right sometimes. Other times it’s as hilariously wrong as LLMs. Everybody remember Juicero? NFTs? How about Theranos? FTX? WeWork? Tech is addicted to hype bubbles. Like any addiction it drives poor decisions.
- eesmith 2y agoEnron.
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- waldrews 2y agoIs there a list (blog, Twitter feed) of such stories of AI embarrassments? Might make a good teaching resource for explaining to a less technical audience why many of us still have to work hard to make AI work reliably for serious applications. I could ask a search engine or an AI for a list, but, well, it'll probably make it up.
- soraminazuki 2y agoIt's not limited to AI, but grumpy.website is kind of like that. Each post is concise and entertaining. https://grumpy.website/search?q=%23AI https://grumpy.website/search?q=%23AI
- petesergeant 2y agoI could have sworn Molly White, from "Web3 is Going Just Great", was doing one, but I can't find it
- throwaway290 2y agoConsidering every company that does search today does LLMs they are motivated to bury these stories and feeds:)
- gniv 2y agoI just saw this, though some examples might be fake: https://x.com/JeremiahDJohns/status/1794543007129387208 https://x.com/JeremiahDJohns/status/1794543007129387208
- tivert 2y agohttps://x.com/heavenrend/status/1793346515261432027 https://x.com/heavenrend/status/1793346515261432027: > Human: cheese not sticking to pizza > Google AI: Cheese can slide off pizza for a number of reasons, including too much sauce, too much cheese, or thickened sauce. Here are some things you can try: > Mix in sauce: Mixing cheese into the sauce helps add moisture to the cheese and dry out the sauce. You can also add about 1/8 cub of non-toxic glue to the sauce to give it more tackiness.
- Ferret7446 2y agoThe thing is, I wouldn't bat an eye if a friend said this, because I would understand it is a joke. Fundamentally, whether you're dealing with a human, written text, YouTube/TikTok video, or AI, you cannot abandon your personal responsibility to think critically.
- ChrisArchitect 2y ago[dupe] More discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40448074 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40448074 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40459265 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40459265
- rnd0 2y agoTo be fair...that would keep the cheese on the pizza!
- Borrible 2y agoI prefer transglutaminase over Elmers. But that's a matter of taste. I used Elmers just for finger prints and other simple one-off moulds for my hobby.
- not_your_vase 2y agoOh, is this similar to the pineapple-debate? Are there glue-proponents, and true Italian pizza aficionados, who consider glue as a topping to be a heretic thing? Personally I will take glue anytime. It's on the internet, so it must be great.
- frednoodle 2y agoIf I learn everything from human and have human intelligence, doesn't this mean they will lie too?