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If you provide all resources to people to enjoy alcohol, why would anyone quit? Would you argue we should go back to prohibition?

cpncrunch 2y ago
You can safely have a few drinks (or more) and feel normal the next day and go to work. You can't do that with fentanyl.
- TillE 2y ago
  Fentanyl only exists because it's cheap and easy to make. Anyone with a choice would always take something like oxycodone, and there are a ton of occasional recreational oxy users in the world.
  - beaeglebeachedd 2y ago
    Tar heroin cheaper to make probably. If it were legalized we wouldn't be optimizing for ease of smuggling which is largely dictated by potency instead of manufacturing costs.
  - quickthrowman 2y ago
    > there are a ton of occasional recreational oxy users in the world. Today, virtually all of the ‘oxycontin’ that is used recreationally is actually fentanyl and binders that looks like an oxycontin. Unless it’s in a prescription bottle (and even then,) it’s almost certainly fentanyl. > In 2023, DEA seized more than 80 million fentanyl-laced fake pills and nearly 12,000 pounds of fentanyl powder. The 2023 seizures are equivalent to more than 381 million lethal doses of fentanyl. [0] If they seized 80 million, just imagine how many weren’t seized. [0]https://www.dea.gov/onepill#:~:text=In%202023%2C%20DEA%20seized%20more,million%20lethal%20doses%20of%20fentanyl https://www.dea.gov/onepill#:~:text=In%202023%2C%20DEA%20sei....
- vips7L 2y ago
  No body wants to do fentanyl though. People want to safely do Cocaine or MDMA without dying from fentanyl.
  - fragmede 2y ago
    people hooked on fentanyl want to do fentanyl
- fragmede 2y ago
  yes you can. they put it in patches and prescribe them at the hospital. people go to work on those. dead addicts can't go to work the next day, but you don't hear about the ones who haven't died yet unless you know them very well personally.
  - cpncrunch 2y ago
    Well, I think you've just proven my point, that it has to be done in a carefully controlled manner. But that isn't what addicts are looking for.
    - fallingsquirrel 2y ago
      You're revealing your bias by calling one group "addicts" but not calling the other "alcoholics". Both drugs are possible to use responsibly, and both drugs are possible to OD on.
    - heavyset_go 2y ago
      Nobody is looking to overdose, ask any opiate user and they'd rather be taking pills than random shit from dealers. The issue is that pressed pills are now fentanyl, too, and those who want to dose responsibly end up overdosing anyway.

cpncrunch 2y ago

You can safely have a few drinks (or more) and feel normal the next day and go to work. You can't do that with fentanyl.

TillE 2y ago
Fentanyl only exists because it's cheap and easy to make. Anyone with a choice would always take something like oxycodone, and there are a ton of occasional recreational oxy users in the world.
- beaeglebeachedd 2y ago
  Tar heroin cheaper to make probably. If it were legalized we wouldn't be optimizing for ease of smuggling which is largely dictated by potency instead of manufacturing costs.
- quickthrowman 2y ago
  > there are a ton of occasional recreational oxy users in the world. Today, virtually all of the ‘oxycontin’ that is used recreationally is actually fentanyl and binders that looks like an oxycontin. Unless it’s in a prescription bottle (and even then,) it’s almost certainly fentanyl. > In 2023, DEA seized more than 80 million fentanyl-laced fake pills and nearly 12,000 pounds of fentanyl powder. The 2023 seizures are equivalent to more than 381 million lethal doses of fentanyl. [0] If they seized 80 million, just imagine how many weren’t seized. [0]https://www.dea.gov/onepill#:~:text=In%202023%2C%20DEA%20seized%20more,million%20lethal%20doses%20of%20fentanyl https://www.dea.gov/onepill#:~:text=In%202023%2C%20DEA%20sei....
vips7L 2y ago
No body wants to do fentanyl though. People want to safely do Cocaine or MDMA without dying from fentanyl.
- fragmede 2y ago
  people hooked on fentanyl want to do fentanyl
fragmede 2y ago
yes you can. they put it in patches and prescribe them at the hospital. people go to work on those. dead addicts can't go to work the next day, but you don't hear about the ones who haven't died yet unless you know them very well personally.
- cpncrunch 2y ago
  Well, I think you've just proven my point, that it has to be done in a carefully controlled manner. But that isn't what addicts are looking for.
  - fallingsquirrel 2y ago
    You're revealing your bias by calling one group "addicts" but not calling the other "alcoholics". Both drugs are possible to use responsibly, and both drugs are possible to OD on.
  - heavyset_go 2y ago
    Nobody is looking to overdose, ask any opiate user and they'd rather be taking pills than random shit from dealers. The issue is that pressed pills are now fentanyl, too, and those who want to dose responsibly end up overdosing anyway.